Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Michel wrote: 15 Aug 2023, 05:51
MattBLancs wrote: 15 Aug 2023, 05:47 Hopefully the horn button is along the lines of "MOT on a Monday morning, suddenly stopped working late Sunday afternoon= fix it with whatever can find in the back of the garage!" Then not had chance to dig further and so the quick bodge remained in service.
Nah, the horn press design and wiring is total turd. I ended up with a button on mine, though it was wired properly through the bulkhead. Even DickieG couldn't fix it.
Ah, interesting. Is it the clock spring / rotary coupling thing that is the common failure? Wonder what's different about the Berlingo version to make it so frail??

Would think Zel's is new enough to be multiplex (and so not compatible I'd guess) but wonder if earlier ones could be converted with 306 stalks, they had horn button on end of the left, indicator stalk, would do away with that rotary thing all together (or does the airbag wiring use it too?)
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Hmm. sounds like that button may well wind up staying there then...Albeit with the wiring sorted in a slightly less sketchy way. I guess every car needs a simple but annoying and difficult to fix "feature." Given the wheel and stalks seem to be the same (at least superficially) as on the 206/7 is this a common problem on those too?

That's going to be lower down the priority list though - if I can leave that live-earth wire alone for long enough anyway.

Highest priority mechanically wise is sorting out the whiny belt as I don't want that suddenly getting worse and self-destructing. I'm guessing it's one of the idler/tensioner rollers on the aux belt based on where it seems to be coming from and that the belt seems to be vibrating more than I'd typically have expected on a couple of the longer runs. Hopefully that's all it is rather than one of the actually driven components with a bearing on the way out as that would be annoying. Just realised that this might well be new enough to have a fancy freewheel clutch on the alternator too, which is something else I've never done battle with...

Looks like a set of at least low pressure power steering lines will be on that shopping list given how badly they're perishing.

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The fluid also looks horrible so I'm wondering if it's ever been changed. Given that like brake fluid and manual gearbox oil it seems to be something that only ever gets replaced if there's a leak on about 98% of cars I'm going to guess the answer is "probably not."

Is this the variant of this engine which is renowned for having issues with the strainer on the turbo oil feed inlet banjo clogging up? Given it looks to be easily accessible in this configuration, checking and cleaning that could definitely get added to the service regime. Have to admit to having near zero knowledge of the HDi engines in any form besides checking the oil on my father's Motability cars - all my diesel PSA vehicles have been XUD powered up to this point.

The front speakers at least will indeed want an upgrade. Head unit will remain to be seen. I know that for quite a lot of OEM stereos these days there are Bluetooth gizmos available which plug into the head unit and emulate a CD changer - so you can retain the standard display, steering wheel controls etc. Not sure if anyone has made one of those for the RD6 though, I'll need to do some digging. In the interim I'll steal the FM transmitter from the Renault.

I will need to do a proper back to back comparison of these two at some point.

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I'm sure that both of them have pros and cons. I'll be surprised if the Partner manages to quite match the economy, as that has really surprised me with the Caddy. Even around Milton Keynes it's always managed to average in the mid 40s MPG. Into the 50s on a motorway run is entirely doable without dawdling, even in spite of the brick wall aerodynamics of the box on the back. Much as I may complain about the ride in it, on the motorway it still manages to have an uncanny ability to apparently just delete hundreds of miles of the journey at a time without ever getting uncomfortable or tiring.

Speaking of motorways, it looks like I won't be quite so easily able to add cruise to the Partner, as if equipped it would have had a different instrument panel with a little LCD display for the cruise where the temperature gauge is on this. I rather doubt that one bit will work without the other given the joys of multiplexed systems. Granted I'm not sure if this hasn't already had a replacement cluster at some point as that really doesn't look like a diesel rev counter to me.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Zelandeth wrote: 15 Aug 2023, 09:26 Hmm. sounds like that button may well wind up staying there then...Albeit with the wiring sorted in a slightly less sketchy way. I guess every car needs a simple but annoying and difficult to fix "feature." Given the wheel and stalks seem to be the same (at least superficially) as on the 206/7 is this a common problem on those too?
Someone really needs to teach me how to quote - yet another aspect of my ADHD (diagnosed in 1998 by a psychiatrist abroad who sent me meds then ignored since 2006 because I couldn't get treatment here in UK)

Anyway - I suggest some reading up on Comm2000 units Zel. The stalks are an all-in-one unit. It's all superficial. It's the case that you could get a new comm2000 unit from the same model of car, but the part number will be different and it won't work.

I can't comment on whether cruise will work as mine was a 2.0HDi. I fitted cruise to it, without the little display, and it worked perfectly. For the cost of the stalk s/h and a fiddle with diagbox, it's worth a go on yours.

Yes, you have the engine that needs the oil pickup cleaned, and the injector clamps tightening every so often. Do that, change oil on time with the correct oil, it'll go forever. I'd be *very* surprised if it didn't return better economy than the VW, it's a great little engine when it's working properly. I'd regularly get 50+ from my 2.0HDi. The 1.6 is more modern and more powerful.

You have the correct rev-counter. Mine was the same.

I put a cheapo Pioneeer headunit in mine, with the adaptor cable for the column controls. Back then, 2011, it wasn't expensive at all. I could have added a cable and adaptor to make the OEM one work, but... the OEM one was a bit s**t anyway, so I replaced the whole lot.
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Oil strainer inside banjo bolt = yes that's the engine but no it's not easily accessible. The one you see top of the turbo is just a banjo bolt, the damned strainer is at the block end of that pipe and completely in accessible untill DPF and heat shield are removed. Not sure about the non-DPF variant but think heat shield likely still in the way??

Auxiliary belt= check it's not a "stretch belt" = these have a fixed idler where a tensioner should be, need a special tool to drag it onto the crank pulley, and in my experience, then go on to squeal again shortly afterwards. Pain in backside and I still do not understand what problem they are trying to solve.

I converted my 1.6 HDi C4 to manual tensioner by use of a second hand Audi timing belt tensioner and a spacer tube (hole in tensioner 12 mm, secured by M10 bolt from memory) will see if can find a picture
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Two things:
1) wow, time flies!
2) Google photos is pretty amazing how quickly I can find 3 images from April 2018 at drop of a hat!

Modified tensioner:
Old fixed at bottom, and new (recycled timing belt pulley) at top 1
Old fixed at bottom, and new (recycled timing belt pulley) at top 1
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Assembly of each
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PS I've swapped the injector clamp nuts - weird Allen headed tubular things as standard - for M7 Nyloc nuts in an attempt to reduce likelihood of self loosening.
Overtighten them at your peril!
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Looks like I've got a few things to learn up on over the coming weeks then!

Stretch belts really do seem like an answer to a question that nobody asked. Someone somewhere came up with the idea and then managed to convince some accountant that by using it they could save £0.20 per unit by eliminating the tensioner.

Have to wonder why they couldn't have put that oil strainer at the easy to access end of the oil line...

I'll need to ping some money towards the forum so we can get some part numbers looked up over the next few days. Can you still get the vehicle build sheets with the changes they made to the systems a couple of years back?

Been out and about a few times over the last couple of days. I'd really forgotten how nice it is to have a daily driver with working air conditioning. It's been a few years now!
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Zelandeth wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 22:42
Have to wonder why they couldn't have put that oil strainer at the easy to access end of the oil line...
Only thing I can think of (other than "designed by someone with a sadistic streak" !!) Is temperature - sat on top of the turbo, it's ok when running (as relatively cool flow of oil fee through) but when engine switched off and the flow stops temperature will shoot up. The strainer itself is only a flimsy plastic thing
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Have a look here, some pictures tell the story:
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Oh yes, and also tells the story that the pipe itself is a poor design! Relies on O-rings that get cooked by the high temperatures previously mentioned!
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Zelandeth wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 22:42
Been out and about a few times over the last couple of days. I'd really forgotten how nice it is to have a daily driver with working air conditioning. It's been a few years now!
No idea how you do it Zel. I wouldn't buy a car without it now.
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Michel wrote: 19 Aug 2023, 01:47
Zelandeth wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 22:42
Been out and about a few times over the last couple of days. I'd really forgotten how nice it is to have a daily driver with working air conditioning. It's been a few years now!
No idea how you do it Zel. I wouldn't buy a car without it now.
Not really by choice!

The Caddy HAS AC, it just doesn't work. The compressor is dead. I've got a replacement sitting here, but have failed to get anyone to fit it for me, and I've not been willing to risk taking the car off the road to do it myself (the aux belt tensioner design on that thing is utterly stupid) as it's always been being relied on. I've had three mobile mechanics scheduled to come and do the work who have then failed to appear. None of the garages I usually use are interested in doing it. So I've been stuck without AC.
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Nothing particularly meaningful been going on, but the Peugeot looks a good deal better having just given the exterior plastics a quick wipe down and the interior a really quick clean.

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I feel like those chrome strips really don't belong on the rear bumper, but they are properly clipped in place. Guessing it's a replacement from an earlier model?

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Taking off and repainting the guards on the lights is also on the list as they're a bit scabby in a couple of places. Was surprised to find they're actually metal - I was expecting them to be purely cosmetic bits of flimsy plastic.

Seats and some areas of the carpets still want going over with the wet vac, but it's generally looking a lot better.

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Looks like it's been a long time since the interior plastics had any attention...

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While I hadn't planned on moving it on anywhere near this soon, it looks like the Rover may be looking for a new home. Something that's very much on my bucket list that I wasn't even looking for has popped up with a very attractive price and apparently a complete lack of rust, so I'm going to follow that lead to see where it goes. If it works out though, the Rover will need to be moved on to both make space and to fund its acquisition. This was never really going to be a long term car though, it's been a fun summer toy though.

There's a temptation to give you guys a teaser to see if you can guess what I'm looking at, but given how easily you got the last one not sure it would take you long!
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Really quick and simple job for the Peugeot ticked off today.

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...My failure to take a "before" photo means you're a bit clueless as to what's going on there. I've changed the indicator bulbs as all four had turned almost completely white due to the coating flaking off the bulbs. The side/brake light bulbs were also very blackened so probably at the end of their lives - those were also changed while I was in there.

As you'll all be aware though there's an immutable law of the universe that says you can't ever complete a job this simple on a car without spawning at least one more task. So of course I found one.

Why is it that nobody in the history of the universe has ever done a tidy, professional job of wiring up the electrics to go with a tow bar?

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What a mess.

I'll deal with that later.

It's actually all working (well the vehicle lights are anyway - I've no idea about the trailer socket) so I'm filing that under "Do Not Poke" for now and I'll sort it properly when I've got a bit more time on hand.

That offside cluster - or rather the guard on it - appears to be the cause of one of the rattles from the tailgate. The guard is actually touching the tailgate when it's closed. I'll see if a bit of carefully applied violence can gain me a bit of clearance when I go back in to sort out that wiring butchery.

Found a freebie under the bonnet, wedged down between the side of the ECU and nearside wing.

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Wonder how long that's been there.

Tomorrow I've got a good bit of driving to do to go look at the potential new purchase - couple of hours each way looks like. I did look at taking the train, but at £200 plus change with no assigned seat and four hours each way with two changes my response was "Hell no...I'll just drive, thanks."
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300 miles plus change done in the Peugeot today, mostly in horrific traffic thanks to the M1 being closed right about where the halfway point in my trip should have been. So traffic was absolutely horrendous both ways. Return trip was nearly four hours - should have been two plus change.

Observations: One. I'm extremely glad I sorted the squeaking clutch pedal, or that would have driven me insane. Two. The Partner is a bloody awesome thing for covering distance on any sort of road. Only thing it really wants for is cruise as she would far rather be doing 80 than 70 on the motorway. Used barely half a tank of fuel, so 500 miles on a tank looks to be entirely doable.

So what was so special I was willing to do a 300 mile round trip just to look at?

I'll tell you tomorrow if you can't guess. However it's always been a bucket list car for me, and suffice to say I was impressed with what I saw and have left a deposit. I now just need to arrange transport to get it home.

The car does run, drive and apparently stop - however hasn't been in regular use for Quite A While so will want to be properly recommissioned really before it does anything beyond a gentle bumble round the block at walking pace. So it will not be making the trip here under its own power. So I'm sending out a few messages to see if our usual suspects with regards to transport are likely to be in the area over the next week or so.

This does mean I'm officially DEFINITELY over capacity though until one moves on!
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Ohh, this is nail-biting stuff Zel ;) Looking forward with great anticipation as to what's joining your fleet...

I have absolutely no clue what it might be...

So, which one is going?
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