C5 X7 wiper motor preservation tip...

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C5 X7 wiper motor preservation tip...

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Our C5 recently experiened a wiper motor failure, not like X7's to encounter that is it :lol:

However, when I opened the motor to see if I was lucky enough it would just be a magnet on shaft repair, I found that the board had obvious signs of water damage. Unlike another poster on here, I was unable to desolder the board from the power connector to do any further repairs, so I ordered a motor from a breakers...

Now, as some of you might know, I am an engineer offshore, on oilrigs and boats, what very few of you will know is out there we use a product called denso tape, which is basically a fabric bandage impregnated with a brown wax oil type of stuff, making it very water repellent. We use it to protect cable glands, hydraulic fittings, flanges and bolts, lips on junction electrical boxes, etc. It is not a marine industry exclusive product, it can be had from Toolstation for about eight quid a roll:
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https://www.toolstation.com/petro-tape-10m/p72819

What I've done with it is applied it to the seam where the lid of the gearbox which the ecu is mounted to, joins the main body, as an additional barrier to water ingress:
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To apply it, basically wrap a length of the tape around, and massage it in with your fingers, it is truly horrid stuff to work with, so I highly recommend the use of the thin disposable nitrile gloves when doing this.

I'd suggest others look at this seam, and apply some additional sealing there, whether it be denso tape, or a coating, or a smear of an adhesive, as the corner of the motor lid lies in the lowest point of the scuttle's drain path, so it will ALWAYS be wet. I strongly recommend this as it looks like wiper motors are a weak spot on these vehicles, and at £140 for a used motor, £360 for a new one, vs £8 preventative maintenance, it's a no-brainer to me.
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This is a good idea, I went a similar route with mine but painted roof seal over the full thing leaving the drain hole clear. Also a film of silicone grease on the rubber gasket when reassembling.
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Jay-Bruce wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 17:19 Our C5 recently experiened a wiper motor failure, not like X7's to encounter that is it :lol:

However, when I opened the motor to see if I was lucky enough it would just be a magnet on shaft repair, I found that the board had obvious signs of water damage. Unlike another poster on here, I was unable to desolder the board from the power connector to do any further repairs, so I ordered a motor from a breakers...

Now, as some of you might know, I am an engineer offshore, on oilrigs and boats, what very few of you will know is out there we use a product called denso tape, which is basically a fabric bandage impregnated with a brown wax oil type of stuff, making it very water repellent. We use it to protect cable glands, hydraulic fittings, flanges and bolts, lips on junction electrical boxes, etc. It is not a marine industry exclusive product, it can be had from Toolstation for about eight quid a roll:
Image
https://www.toolstation.com/petro-tape-10m/p72819

What I've done with it is applied it to the seam where the lid of the gearbox which the ecu is mounted to, joins the main body, as an additional barrier to water ingress:

Image

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To apply it, basically wrap a length of the tape around, and massage it in with your fingers, it is truly horrid stuff to work with, so I highly recommend the use of the thin disposable nitrile gloves when doing this.

I'd suggest others look at this seam, and apply some additional sealing there, whether it be denso tape, or a coating, or a smear of an adhesive, as the corner of the motor lid lies in the lowest point of the scuttle's drain path, so it will ALWAYS be wet. I strongly recommend this as it looks like wiper motors are a weak spot on these vehicles, and at £140 for a used motor, £360 for a new one, vs £8 preventative maintenance, it's a no-brainer to me.
I have just covered our work class ROV'sTMS pipework with this stuff, and using it on wiper motors is an absolutely brilliant idea!! I shall steal some for my X7 next time I go down to work on it! Hope my boss doesn't need any Citroen advice! Nice one, thx for the tip!
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Dude - get us a job as a trainee Pilot Tech 🙏
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Jay-Bruce wrote: 13 Nov 2024, 19:36 Dude - get us a job as a trainee Pilot Tech 🙏
Am only in research I'm afraid. Integrating new bits, re-terming fibres etc. few papers to help with here and there. No relation to industry, Sorry!! :-D

As you well know, work class systems are an ordeal to maintain, lucky ours does very few miles!!
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The "Ordeal to maintain" is one of the things that draws me to them... That and underwater flying robots is just such a cool sounding thing.
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Jay-Bruce wrote: 13 Nov 2024, 22:26 The "Ordeal to maintain" is one of the things that draws me to them... That and underwater flying robots is just such a cool sounding thing.
Oh don't get me wrong, it's great fun! One of the best parts of my job!
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I wonder if that stuff would be good to apply to the steering pinion shaft etc....
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Jay-Bruce wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 17:19 Our C5 recently experiened a wiper motor failure, not like X7's to encounter that is it :lol:

However, when I opened the motor to see if I was lucky enough it would just be a magnet on shaft repair, I found that the board had obvious signs of water damage. Unlike another poster on here, I was unable to desolder the board from the power connector to do any further repairs, so I ordered a motor from a breakers...

Now, as some of you might know, I am an engineer offshore, on oilrigs and boats, what very few of you will know is out there we use a product called denso tape, which is basically a fabric bandage impregnated with a brown wax oil type of stuff, making it very water repellent. We use it to protect cable glands, hydraulic fittings, flanges and bolts, lips on junction electrical boxes, etc. It is not a marine industry exclusive product, it can be had from Toolstation for about eight quid a roll:
Image
https://www.toolstation.com/petro-tape-10m/p72819

What I've done with it is applied it to the seam where the lid of the gearbox which the ecu is mounted to, joins the main body, as an additional barrier to water ingress:

Image

Image

To apply it, basically wrap a length of the tape around, and massage it in with your fingers, it is truly horrid stuff to work with, so I highly recommend the use of the thin disposable nitrile gloves when doing this.

I'd suggest others look at this seam, and apply some additional sealing there, whether it be denso tape, or a coating, or a smear of an adhesive, as the corner of the motor lid lies in the lowest point of the scuttle's drain path, so it will ALWAYS be wet. I strongly recommend this as it looks like wiper motors are a weak spot on these vehicles, and at £140 for a used motor, £360 for a new one, vs £8 preventative maintenance, it's a no-brainer to me.
Been trying to remember the name of some similar stuff I was reminded of by the mention of Denso tape.
Sylglas roofing tape. Aluminium tape blathered with lots of disgusterous sticky and waterproof stuff.

Thanks for the reminder, I need some to fix my daughter's leaky gutter.
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myglaren wrote: 15 Nov 2024, 17:08 Aluminium tape blathered with lots of disgusterous sticky and waterproof stuff.

Thanks for the reminder, I need some to fix my daughter's leaky gutter.
At the risk of being told not to tell you about sucking eggs :)_

Put in 60 deg water, let it get up to temp
Brake cleaner is good for cleaning the gutter ready for it, giving better adhesion over paint or onto plastic.
A quick "mist" of brake cleaner onto the warmed tape just before you apply it gives even better adhesion.
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Thanks, I'll try and remember that. I do have brake cleaner on hand, also EthylMethylKetone, Acetone, Isopropanol and some 'Solvent #6', one or more of which I was going to try. Hadn't thought of heating it and immersing it in water wouldn't have come to mind, just using a heat gun on it and the surface.
It is a joint that has been leaking for years, I have blathered silicone on it after careful cleaning) but it hasn't lasted.
The proper thing to do it take it down and fit new joint seals but it is likely to shatter and need the whole run renewing, been there since 1973.
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I love the word disgusterous... :rofl2:
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Roald Dahl, the BFG unless I am mistaken.
Also 'Snozzcumbers' :)