ESP/ABS warning... C1391... C003A Right rear speed sensor

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ESP/ABS warning... C1391... C003A Right rear speed sensor

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Hi all.

After changing the bottom radiator hose and refilling the coolant system I get the above warning lights. I note that below the hose as it enters the engine there's a mechanism that looks as if it's hydraulic in nature. I may have disturbed it or the electrical connections. Tight space and The wire may have been strained.

My question is.... Is this mechanism anything to do with the ESP/ABS? It's on the left front of engine underneath to the left of the turbo (I think) I'll have a picture tomorrow I hope.

Any help advice or just some general patronising would be great.

Thanks in advance. 🖖
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Well if you have spilled liquid onto the electronics or wiring it's possible you may have created a short - but equally it could be a coincidence. Pop your VIN up so I know what vehicle you have (please post your VIN in full without spaces - it will be automatically masked from public view after submitting your post & will only be visible to staff).
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Im thinking coolant may have gotten in places it shouldn't have but the hose was spraying everywhere.
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Ok, so the ABS Hydraulic Block and ECU are hidden up behind the front right wheel arch (Driver's side) underneath the wheel arch splash guard and then behind another secret panel:
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So unless you have a pressure washer on steroids, it's unlikely to be related - but not impossible of course. :-D
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Weather permitting tomorrow I'm going to have a better look and see if anything is wet that shouldn't be. I am pretty confident that no coolant got over to that side of the car. It's amazing how much mess a pin hole in that hose can make.

I'll post what I find....🖖
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Well after getting some time to see if there's any water/dampness got into any electrical systems I've found a wiring loom that terminates underneath the coolant pipe as it enteres the engine block.

There seems to be a device (possibility the ESP ecu?) Directly under where the coolant was spraying. Could anyone tell me if this is where that particular ecu is located or what it could be. It is attached to the top of the bell housing slightly to the left. It is difficult to get to without disconnecting both coolant hoses.

Thanks in advance.
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Ok scratch that. According to Haynes online I am looking at the transmission control unit. Which isn't giving any issues so far. ESP and ABS are the same unit.

Can anyone tell me what this is?
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Changed the right rear speed sensor, had to destroy the old one to get it out as there was a lot of corrosion. Also noticed a great deal of corrosion around the magnetic ring on the wheel hub. All warning lights extinguished once I put it back together. That was until I moved the car. Same fault codes appeared.

Looks like it is the wheel baring that is at fault.
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GiveMeABreak wrote: 29 Jan 2023, 21:52 Ok, so the ABS Hydraulic Block and ECU are hidden up behind the front right wheel arch (Driver's side) underneath the wheel arch splash guard and then behind another secret panel:

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So unless you have a pressure washer on steroids, it's unlikely to be related - but not impossible of course. :-D
Well it seems the diagnostic tool I have isn't all that great after all. It missed some error codes from a few other modules. The steering module is not talking to the ESP or engine ECU.

Not entirely sure where to start now.😭
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Steering angle is reading -780°. Saying it's not calibrated. Wheel sensors are reporting wildly different speeds, even when stationary.

Oh man what have I done....🤢
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Unfortunately errors to do with the ESP system are not always that simple to determine as the data is collected from various components like the wheels sensors the engine ECU the Power Steering ECU, Steering Angle and Yaw sensors etc., and sent on to other systems.

The steering wheel angle sensor is contained within the electronic module in the steering wheel and has to be calibrated if the ESP unit is removed / replaced, but given that you are also saying you have incorrect speed readings from the wheel speed sensors when the vehicle is stationary, suggests that it is a data communication issue and that the data is garbled or not valid. I can't see that all these problems are down to the individual components, so would indicate to me a faulty ESP ECU or a CAN data communication wiring problem.

Given the apparent multiple I think it needs going to either a dealer or an experienced auto electrician for some detailed checks and to try and pinpoint the problem. I certainly wouldn't want to start changing parts until the underlying problem is determined.
Fault Code: C1638 61
Description of Fault: Steering wheel angle information: Incorrect value.

Description of the diagnostics: Possibility 1
- With steering wheel angle sensor: Fault detected if the steering angle sensor is not initialised or calibrated.
- The fault immediately appears.

Possibility 2
- No steering angle sensor: Fault detected if the value for the centre of the steering wheel is lost as a result of prolonged operation.

Conditions of activation of the diagnostics:
Possibility 1
- Ignition on
Possibility 2
- Vehicle speed higher than 48 km/h
Conditions for Fault to clear: Steering angle sensor calibrated
Downgrade Modes whilst Fault is active: Deactivation of the ESP function
Symptoms:
  • Switching on of the ABS/ESP/EBFD warning lamps with/without error message
Suspect Areas:
  • Electric power steering
  • ABS/ESP ECU

Fault Code: U1213
Description of Fault: Fault in communication between the electric power steering (DAE) ECU and the ABS/ESP ECU.

Description of the diagnostics:
Possibility 1
- Steering wheel angle absolute value above the maximum threshold
- The time for recording the fault code is 200 milliseconds
Possibility 2
- Longitudinal acceleration calculated at the front wheels not valid
- The time for recording the fault code is 200 milliseconds
Possibility 3
- Lateral acceleration below the minimum threshold or above the maximum threshold
- The time for recording the fault code is 1000 milliseconds
Possibility 4
- Vehicle yaw speed below or above the threshold
- The time for recording the fault code is 1000 milliseconds
Possibility 5
- Speed of the front left wheel higher than the vehicle speed
- Speed of the front right wheel higher than the vehicle speed
The time for recording the fault code is 1000 milliseconds
Possibility 6
- Speed of the rear left wheel higher than the vehicle speed
- Speed of the rear right wheel higher than the vehicle speed
The time for recording the fault code is 1000 milliseconds
Conditions for Fault to clear: Ignition switched off and on again
Downgrade Modes whilst Fault is active:
  • Active return of the steering wheel deactivated
Symptoms:
  • Steering too soft
  • Loss of the semi-automatic parking assistance function
  • Loss of the Stop and Start function
  • Steering wheel return incorrect
  • Steering stiff
  • Noise in the power steering
Suspect Areas:
  • CAN network
  • Connector
  • Electrical harness
  • ABS/ESP ECU
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Thanks Marc. I've booked it into a local auto electric garage for the 9th next month. In the meantime could you possibly please point me in the direction of a fuse box diagram. Just so I can eliminate a blown fuse. (Me not grasping at straws)
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Here's the actual ABS / ESP circuit as you'll find there are multiple fuses including those on the supplies and protection unit (1032) as well as the engine fusebox (PSF1). I doubt it will be a fuse as otherwise you wouldn't be getting a connection at all, but worth checking the wiring to and from these in any case:

With the exception of the wiring codes, most of the component codes are indexed here:

PSA Electrical Diagrams - Wiring & Symbols Codes Index

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Couple of weeks ago, my car "reported" an ABS fault by clanging, beeping, lighting up the dash and not allowing me to go above 3rd in my piloted gearbox 2012 Lingo.

I have an excellent Autel MaxiPRO MP808TS code reader & deleted all codes. The previously reported FL ABS sensor issue disappeared after I deleted all codes.

I STILL have no idea what caused the codes and limp home, I'm just happy it left.

I suspect you have encouraged a "fault" when the coolant got into wherever it got into or a fault suddenly appeared because it was a day of the week ending in Y...

If you're in the Highlands, I may be able to help.
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Hi Doo. Nice of you to offer some help. I'm in Falkirk, if you'renot to far away, I may take you up on that.

I think the coolant has gotten into a section of loom that sits directly under said pipe, on top of gearbox. Short of actually ripping the car to bits, I have no idea what to do here. I'm going to see if the steering will accept calibration using the tool I have. Maybe just make sht worse though.....🤢