Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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I have resolutely ignored the zone valves today. Not least because I'm waiting on one arriving as neither Toolstation nor Screwfix had it in stock. The hot water one is still behaving - but if I have to pull that mess apart there is no way that I'm leaving one original valve in place for it to only fail six months down the line, they're all getting changed. No I don't think for a minute that the new ones will last 40+ years, but hopefully they will last long enough that we'll have moved by the next time they need changing and it can be someone else's problem.

I very much doubt we'll ever be in a position to build our own home, but if we did you can absolutely guarantee that all of this sort of nonsense would be designed specifically to be readily accessible for inspection and maintenance. Likewise the drain cock for the heating circuit would be positioned above a drain so I don't need to mess around with hoses and inevitably spilling manky water at least somewhere. Would also be a proper ball valve rather than those stupid little spigots which flow next to nothing and leak everywhere. Just stupid things which you only need to mess with once every few years, but where a bit of thought at the design stage would make it so much easier.

Latest shipment of bits for the pinball table arrived. In no less than six packages...just WHY do you do this, Amazon? I really miss Maplin for random things like this...I'd normally use CPC or RS for electronic components rather than Amazon, but their postage charges for small orders like this are just horrendous and I didn't have enough other random bits to add to make it up to the free postage limit, so Amazon it is.

The reason I was initially confused and had coils locking on as soon as the 12V bus came up was that I had two types of contactor in place. Look closely at the markings on these.

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The one on the right has normally open contacts, and the left normally closed. This was totally irrelevant when I originally put them in here as they were literally just there to make noise and transmit a bit of physical vibration through the frame emulating the moving parts in an actual table. However it became an issue when I decided to use them to switch things!

The things I had hooked them up to switch were a bunch of these.

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Generic starter motor solenoids. The reason for this was simply that the little contactors while better than nothing simply weren't violent enough to be convincing. An actual pinball table is a really noisy bit of machinery. A little contactor with a coil that pulls all of about 20mA (about 1/4 of a watt in power terms) just produces too polite and discreet a little "click" for our purposes. These starter solenoids on the other hand pull something like 10A (so 120W or thereabouts) and produce a far more convincing "ka-thunk" which you both hear and feel through the cabinet much more like the real thing. I really didn't want these on the same 12V supply as the PC and interface boards though as big solenoids like these are very electrically noisy - hence using the original contactors initially to provide that isolation (and an additional separate 12V power supply). This presented two problems pretty quickly. Firstly was that four of the coils immediately locked on when I powered the system up - which we have since tracked down to me having a mish mash of normally open/closed contactors. Secondly was that the arcing at the contact points was throwing out so much RFI that it was playing merry hell with the system as a whole and causing the interface board to randomly reset and crash the DOF subsystem.

Time to solve both these issues in one go by upgrading from the mechanical contactors to solid state relays.

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I'm surprised I didn't have a few of these kicking around to be honest as they're ridiculously useful. The ability to throw anything from 3-32V at them as the control voltage is a particular bonus from the electronics hobbyist perspective as that has most of the bases covered. Though it is worth noting that they come in DC and AC varieties, and it does matter unlike a mechanical relay/contactor. They also usually want some form of heat sinking if used hard, though here they're being used at only a fraction of their rated power (and at a very low duty cycle) so should be fine without that, especially as the cabinet here is actually pretty cool running with plenty of airflow.

The fact that there are no physical contacts to spark also immediately deletes the arcing and RFI issues we had initially.

The terminal layout is a little different to the original contactors which meant installation took a little longer than it otherwise might have, but it wasn't really that bad. Once we've done a decent amount of play testing I'll go back in and tidy up the new wiring we've added.

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I might try to move the middle right one a bit further towards the back as well (or the mid left one forwards) so it's more symmetrical - though honestly you really won't be able to hear the difference from below the playfield.

From a diagnostic standpoint these new relays make my life easier as they have an actual light on them to show when the output is active.

It definitely sounds far better with the new setup - albeit it need of three new solenoids as three of them took exception to being left powered up for about ten minutes when I was initially unaware they were stuck on. Can't say I'm surprised given how hot they got. Only myself to blame there. Just how it goes with projects like this sometimes! At least nothing expensive or hard to obtain was damaged, just a few cheap solenoids which will take less than 15 minutes to change once the new parts arrive.
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Heard back from Headline MK today. The Rover's head has been pressure tested as good and the valves have been vacuum tested which shows them to be seating perfectly.

They were a bit concerned about some of the pitting around the water ways so I've dropped off a head gasket to help them get their bearings for bits which may or may not be an issue. If any welded repairs are needed before the lightest of light skims they will be made. We're on the same page of "Anything it needs it gets" but equally there's no need to make work where it's unnecessary.
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That's good news Zel :) And good to know Headline are back up and trading again...
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They have carefully checked the head and are happy that none of the pitting in any way affects any of the sealing surfaces, so no welding required. It's passed all the tests thrown at it and just needed the lightest of light skims to clean and true it up.

Just need to collect it and get it refitted. Which at the rate I'm getting to things at the moment will probably be somewhere around summer 2029 it feels like.

Stopped by to speak to Volvo a couple of days ago with a view to getting this lot oil tight again. My intention was to basically just buy every oil seal for the cam cover/inlet manifold area in general.

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Guess what. Not a single one of them is still on the parts system. Apparently 2010 is the furthest their lookup system now goes so with a 2007 car I'm out of luck. Wonderful.

Great. So I'm going to have to play the lovely fun Autodoc parts lottery again most likely. The motor factor I'd normally use is an hour and a half round trip away and I quite simply can't spare that time at the moment. Guess I could try MPD or Bedford Battery again...but inclined not to given they seemed to consider retail customers with the same disdain you would something unpleasant you need to scrape off your shoe the last few times I've used either. I simply don't have the time available at the moment to go all the way down to Dunstable to the one I usually use.

So am doing the right thing and ignoring that until I've an hour or two to sit down at an actual computer - goodness only knows when that will be.

At least the weather has dried up for 30 seconds so I've been able to enjoy not having to deal with wrangling a huge car for my daily errands again.

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Both it and the Volvo also desperately need a good valet as they're both utterly filthy.
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Good news on the Rover head Zel :)

I'm wishing you all the best in finding what you need for the Volvo... I'm sure you will and who knows, you may even win the Autodoc lottery ;)
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I don't have a problem getting parts for my Volvo. Rather, the problem is getting a bank loan to PAY for said parts from Volvo!
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Mmm...shiny.

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Now just need to somehow find time to get it refitted.
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(it's been a long day!) took me a bit for my mind to clunk into place and
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it's that Inlet Over Exhaust arrangement, t'others are in the block!
That "one valve per cylinder" view was boggling my brain!!
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MattBLancs wrote: 11 Mar 2026, 18:39 (it's been a long day!) took me a bit for my mind to clunk into place and
Spoiler: show
it's that Inlet Over Exhaust arrangement, t'others are in the block!
That "one valve per cylinder" view was boggling my brain!!
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Well in your defence it IS a really odd engine.

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There may only be one inlet valve per cylinder, but it ain't half big compared to what we're used to seeing these days.

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Which of course was the whole reason for it - being a narrow bore, long stroke engine from the days when designs were looking for ways to beat the RAC Tax horsepower calculation meant that there wasn't much room for the valves in an OHV arrangement. Rover took this far further than pretty much any other company as far as I'm aware. Most IoE designs are heavily compromised with long flame paths from the plug and poorly shaped combustion chambers. Both issues Rover designed out of this engine. Though the gas flow to the exhaust valve still ain't great and as I understand it was basically the biggest limitation on being able to take it further in terms of efficiency. From what I've read though there is a lot more can be got out of these engines though. Rover just really erred on the side of keeping it under stressed in the interests of reliability and refinement. All evidence suggests they did a damned good job of that as compared to most engine designs with their roots in the 30s they are pretty bulletproof old lumps.

Other situation you'd see a similarly odd valve situation would be a Detroit 2-stroke diesel. Though I think they had at least two valves in the head of each cylinder though - just that they're both exhaust valves! Higher performance arrangements used four per cylinder, again all exhaust. Intake being handled via ports in the cylinder wall near the bottom of the stroke.

That's something I'd love to own a vehicle equipped with. A Detroit 671 has to be one of the most gorgeous sounding power units out there. Not quite as mind bending as the Napier Deltic mind you, but that's very much it's own thing...and not exactly lending itself to road going applications. Well other than one absolutely giant fire pump they made in the US anyway... though the Deltic was used to power the pump there rather than the vehicle. That must have been quite something to see and hear in action though. In case you're curious here's where I read about that.
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Thanks for the run down! As you said it's a strange engine but rather a sensible answer to a daft question ( "how to make decent power from as small as possible bore?" - to get a good RAC rating)

If you need a "little" Deltic then you'll need a "Deltic 9" rather than the big 18 cylinder.
Though if wanting something smaller but opposed piston I'll be a Commercial TS3 you need.
I read of a special someone had made with one, will see if I can find it. Again, all about the noise it makes! :)
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Think it was here, but video no longer available sadly.
viewtopic.php?p=794001&hilit=Commer#p794001
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When we're talking opposed piston engines, would be rude not to mention the Leyland L60 too. Yes they were problematic in service, but my word they do make a nice noise.



A noise which if you hear in isolation you absolutely would not associate with the vehicle making it if you ask me.

Package arrived this morning containing another inlet manifold gasket so I can get that reunited with the head (again). Then I just need to drop by Pirtek to get a proper Viton or EPDM O-ring for the water pump connection. Should have everything I need to get the head back on the car in stock then. Oh. Yes. Aside from another hundred quid's worth of oil and coolant! Sadly both were contaminated so there was no saving it.

While I was ordering things I also grabbed a new windscreen seal as the one currently in place has shrunk just enough to ensure that it's not even vaguely water proof.

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No I will not be doing that job myself. Once the car is mobile I'll find a local windscreen fitter and get them to swap it over - whether the one on the Rover or Trabant gets changed first remains to be seen. The leak in the Trabant drips absolutely unavoidably on your right knee when driving. Jim will vouch for how inescapable it is as he's witnessed me trying to contort myself out of the reach of it. That's basically why I don't drive it if I'm expecting rain as it's really annoying!

I was out today in it though and was reminded of something which really surprises me about it in bad weather. Being a small, lightweight car with such an upright profile you'd tend to expect it to get thrown around like a leaf by gusty cross winds. However it really isn't. You hear the wind, and you can feel it pulling at the steering but the car tracks astonishingly straight under conditions I'd really be expecting to require much more active correction from me. Honestly I feel that the Volvo gets pushed around more. Yes it has more cross sectional area - but it's also more than twice the weight and has tyres that are nearly twice the width, so in theory should be more planted.

It's not really useful information in any way but was just a random anecdote which I found interesting. One of those odd things which does demonstrate that there's more to how a car behaves sometimes than numbers on a page.
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That is odd, could there be something interesting in its steering/suspension geometry that might explain how little it reacts to the wind? Interesting! :)

A drip on my knee would definitely get in my nerves too!!

Rover oil and coolant at £100 sounds expensive, is it special stuff or just gallons and gallons of the stuff it holds?
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MattBLancs wrote: 13 Mar 2026, 12:25 That is odd, could there be something interesting in its steering/suspension geometry that might explain how little it reacts to the wind? Interesting! :)

A drip on my knee would definitely get in my nerves too!!

Rover oil and coolant at £100 sounds expensive, is it special stuff or just gallons and gallons of the stuff it holds?
I really don't know is the simple answer. The steering geometry is always a bit fluid in terms of camber angle as the leaf spring is also the upper control arm. I did wonder if the way that behaves as it's loaded by lateral forces might have something to do with it.

Regarding Rover consumables, 20W50 isn't cheap (at least anywhere locally) any more, and it takes a full 10 litres of it. Likewise 14 litres of coolant, and even finding old school not OAT or phosphate based antifreeze is getting harder now. I guess there's no real reason not to switch over to OAT - it's only an issue when types are mixed so provided the system is thoroughly flushed it's a non issue. I did on one or two cars in the past simply to simplify what supplies I had to keep in stock (and a clear label under the bonnet and annotation in the handbook so it was obvious to anyone doing top ups in future).
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Zelandeth wrote: 13 Mar 2026, 15:59 Regarding Rover consumables, 20W50 isn't cheap (at least anywhere locally) any more, and it takes a full 10 litres of it. Likewise 14 litres of coolant, and even finding old school not OAT or phosphate based antifreeze is getting harder now. I guess there's no real reason not to switch over to OAT - it's only an issue when types are mixed so provided the system is thoroughly flushed it's a non issue. I did on one or two cars in the past simply to simplify what supplies I had to keep in stock (and a clear label under the bonnet and annotation in the handbook so it was obvious to anyone doing top ups in future).
I tend to shop around online nowadays, it disappoints me that I can often get something big and heavy, delivered, cheaper from an online place than picking it up myself locally. :?:

Here's a couple of changes for just under £40 Inc delivery:
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