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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Not been the best of weeks. Have had my behind getting thoroughly kicked by a chronic fatigue flare up that started last weekend, so car things by and large had to take a bit of a back seat. Plus I've just not had the mental energy to write things up.

The fuel hose saga turned into a right old farce. I wound up visiting over a dozen factors in the end, and not a single one of them was able to offer me anything better than basic R6 rated hose. A few actually Gates branded, but most was either Pearl or totally unnamed.

I was pointed at three stores which were official Gates distributors, so I thought trying those were worthwhile to try to find Gates Barricade line, which is what I was after.

Motorserv: No, though they would sell me standard Gates (low pressure) fuel line. For £12 a metre.

Motor Parts Direct: As above, though for £8 a metre.

Bedford Battery: Bedford branch - Not something they had ever heard of, just the same low pressure R6 line as the last two.

Now...the Milton Keynes branch (which I didn't know existed until a few days ago, despite being less than a mile from my house)...their response was a little special. They absolutely flat out denied that *any* ethanol safe flexible fuel line existed anywhere on the market, anywhere in the world. Anyone with an older car is simply out of luck.

First...these guys are supposed to be a Gates stockist. Apparently they don't know their own product line. I have seriously had to resist the urge to print out the datasheet for the Barricade line and go leave it on their counter. Secondly...while it's a relatively new issue in the UK, ethanol absolutely isn't a new thing to have to deal with in the motoring world, plenty of areas have been dealing with up to E85 for years...and somehow they make it work.

Of course aside from the Gates Barricade line, plenty of other manufacturers offer options - the biggest headache generally in this field seems to be simply that quality is so, so variable rather than necessarily the approval numbers. Which is why I see Barricade as a good option, as it's a known quantity from a known manufacturer. Assuming what you get is genuine - which is why I really wanted to buy it from a physical outlet rather than some random internet supplier. However apparently this isn't that simple, at least around here. So in the end, following recommendations from a few different folks I wound up ordering some Cohline hose from these guys.

A package has landed for the Renault which hopefully will get fitted at some point over the next couple of weeks.

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The one on the car has only done ~1500 miles at this point, but is from 2017 at the latest, and I've been getting the vibe that the parts used in recommissioning weren't all of the best quality available. So I'd rather have a new timing belt of a known quantity fitted for peace of mind.

A little project I'd like to get done will be to get my Bluetooth to FM transmitter properly installed. The stereo in this car puts in a very good performance, but currently requires an ugly thing sticking out of the cigarette lighter. Which is high on the list of "things which bug my OCD no end." So my plan is to hard wire it in here like so...see it?

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No? How about now?

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I think that will be a nice neat solution. That little tray would contain the speaker if this car was fitted with the voice synthesis module. This unit has pause/skip/previous buttons on it so having it accessible in an ergonomic position is worthwhile. There isn't any shortage of oddment storage in this car so I'm not too bothered about losing a bit of storage.

I figured I'd have a nose around behind there to see if there was a convenient accessory feed I could tap into.

Uuh...

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What's going on with those two big red wires taped together? On closer inspection, I'm guessing that's what used to be the switched and supply lines to the remains of this relay socket...

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Not happy with that...the coil feeds are still present at the socket, so I think I may well need to reinstate that relay off-board. Not quite sure what it actually switches, given the size of the wires it must be something pretty major. I'd rather have it switch off with the ignition properly as the designers intended.

Annoyingly nothing in the vicinity is switched on the accessory position. Plenty of permanently live and ignition switched, but I'd really like to be able to use the stereo (which works with the ignition in the accessory position) without needing the ignition on to power the FM transmitter. Even the fuse box immediately below doesn't offer anything helpful, the only accessory switched circuit being the one for the stereo itself.

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So I reckon splicing into the line coming from the ignition switch itself will probably be the easiest option (likely less hassle to get to than the line to the back of the fuse box) as it's right next to the area in question.

That's basically all that's been done this week, hopefully next week we'll see a bit more going on as I'm hopeful that I'll be more of a functioning human being.
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Saturday we had the family dentist appointment, so all four of us needed to run up to Leicester.

Renault was the obvious choice for this trip as it's about an hour and it's the one car I can carry four adults in in comfort. Well, in comfort and relative safety. Van is comfortable enough, but there is only one seat in the back with a belt, and it's a lap belt on a side facing seat. Caddy rear seats are only really suitable for short runs as they're very cramped.

Longest single trip I've done in the car yet, so felt like a good milestone to have covered without incident. Plus first time I've had it on the motorway. As predicted, very much feels at home there and like a car in which you could cross continents with ease.

Definitely still feels a bit lumpy on light throttle though, most noticeable sitting at a steady 60mph as that's virtually no throttle on the level. Once under some load it's fine, but a little lumpy on very light loads. Definitely one to keep on the "requires further investigation" list. Not panicking about it though. To be fair I've not even done a really thorough check of the vacuum lines and such yet!

Was really nice to get out for a longer drive in the car. Discovering I need to go back to get no less than seven fillings done was less nice! Guess I'll have to see which car I feel like taking on those days...
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Definitely doing better than I was over the last week, but did struggle a bit at the weekend so I've been trying to take things pretty easy. Today's only "garage work" was to nip the rocker cover up just a touch more as it was weeping oil from the back corner. Seems to have stopped now.

I gave the engine bay a bit of a general wipe down while I was there and I think it's starting to get vaguely towards being presentable again.

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At least it doesn't scream "neglected old car" under there any more.

Glimpse on the inner wings and slam panel there of the actual colour as it should be, quite a bit more coppery than it currently appears externally - and seeing that definitely does make me think more about the car potentially getting a full respray one day.

I had a decent hunt around for any vacuum leaks, however all the lines (and the caps on a couple of unused ports) seem to be in good shape and I didn't get any response spraying around the carb clean. So I think we're okay there.

Evaluated my fuel usage over the last week or so, including the run up to Leicester and back - 36.8MPG - I'll take that any day of the week for a car this size, especially carrying four passengers and including a few days of running around MK on the same tank.
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That engine bay is looking very good Zel. Very presentable I'd say :)

Excellent economy too... That car really is a keeper :)
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Time for an occasional distraction.

A few days ago someone pointed out an old Toshiba laptop for sale over on Facebook marketplace. Firstly I've not really been looking for anything lately, secondly I don't generally use Facebook marketplace - having never thus far had a good experience on there to date.

However the price was right, so I pinged them a message.

I had a bit of a back and forth discussion with the seller. They weren't comfortable with me having a third party collect it (they were a good 4 hour drive north of here), but were quite happy to ship it and asked for advice on how to package it best. Given I've successfully shipped plenty of computers over the years now, provided they followed my instructions I wasn't too bothered by this. Not as though it's equipped with a plasma display - if that were the case then it would be different, no way I'd be sending one of those through the post these days if I had any other option. Fact that the seller actually asked for advice on how to pack it was the sort of thing which instilled a bit of confidence at least.

This arrived yesterday afternoon.

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Old X-Box box, taped shut with electrical tape, wrapped in a bin bag. Okay, not exactly confidence inspiring, but they could still redeem themselves.

Or not.

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The case was just floating around inside the box.

Well I guess at least my confidence in having a complete lack of confidence in anyone on Facebook Marketplace remains 100% founded so to date.

Nevertheless, the machine itself appears to have survived unscathed. Mainly down to being packed in the middle pocket of this absolute brute of a case.

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I mean seriously...It's annoying when something arrives packaged awfully from a random eBay seller with whom your sole interaction was clicking the "Buy it Now" button and sending a PayPal payment - but it really grates when you've specifically had a conversation over how best to pack something. Either just say that you're not happy doing it so I can make alternative arrangements or actually follow the sodding advice. Meh, no actual harm done on this occasion as far as I can tell anyway. The only damage I can see anywhere is a crack on the one corner, but the accompanying dents in the plastic and dirt in the crack suggest to me that this happened a significant amount of time ago and was nothing to do with transport.

Heads up - this is quite a long bit of waffle with a lot of pictures - I've basically written a rough first draft of what will be the web page for this machine and plonked that in here as I know at least one of you might find it interesting and I'm not sure when I'll get as far as actually uploading the live page.

I really just jumped at this one without doing all that much digging beforehand simply because it was really cheap. I've got quite a decent selection of Toshiba hardware from the early portable years in the late 80s, but lacked anything really from the early 90s save for one very broken T1850C which it likely destined to be a parts machine if I get another one some day given it has issues with the system board *and* a smashed display panel. Pretty sure from memory the hard drive was dead as well.

Not entirely sure on the date of this but I'm pinning it towards late 1993 or early 1994 I think. A quick poke around the internet seems to suggest it's not a massively common machine, though I did manage to at least track down a repair manual and a list of specs. Given the pretty pedestrian specs of the T1850C (25MHz 386) which only predates this by a year I was quite surprised to find this running a 50MHz 486DX2. The "T" on the end of the model number was also pretty big news for a portable machine of this era, signifying that it has an active matrix TFT display rather than the passive matrix DSTN panels which were still pretty standard - easily recognisable by having a viewing angle of about 0.3 degrees and a response time you can measure in seconds.

So, what have we got. Let's take a look at it.

One unassuming slightly off-white (but surprisingly un-yellowed) plastic rectangle.

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Well, un-yellowed aside from the floppy drive face plate which has turned much more the colour I'm used to seeing originally beige Toshiba kit of this era being.

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Nothing else on the front aside from the slot the removable battery lives in which basically mirrors the floppy drive.

Right hand side of the machine is quite busy though everything by default is hidden behind covers.

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Front one is the slot where the trackball (or BallPoint Mouse as they called it at the time) attaches - which when open blocks off the next port over containing PS/2 ports for a standard mouse or keyboard.

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Said trackball is an odd little bit of kit. I did actually come across one of these years (or possibly decades) ago but hadn't a clue what equipment it was meant to work with. I suspect it's still buried in a box in the loft somewhere.

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Which attaches to the computer like so.

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Which can be adjusted when fitted to suit the angle you're working at. The button nearest the centre of the frame is mirrored on the opposite side of the device and registers as the left mouse button (I wouldn't be surprised if this was used in several other applications, not always this way around), and the one nearest the track ball itself registers as the right mouse button. I've found this to be the most comfortable way to use it for me.

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By the standards of portable pointing devices from the early 90s, I give it a solid "okay" rating. Definitely a million times better than IBM's bloody trackpoint nonsense. It's definitely a bit odd (and this one definitely needs a good clean) but works well enough that it isn't actively annoying.

Towards the back of that side there's a single PCMCIA 2.0 slot, which helpfully has a little flap built into the door to accommodate the cable if using something like a network card or modem.

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That's a nicely thought out little touch I think. Directly above the PCMCIA slots there's another flip down cover which hides a slot reserved for a memory expansion card - with a 4Mb card installed in this case (which takes the installed total to 8Mb I believe as there should be 4Mb on board).

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Back of the machine features the standard ports you'd expect, again helpfully protected by covers.

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Left hand side is less busy, with the DC in (18V centre positive, max 1.7A), a recessed reset button, the power button and nearer the front the battery latch release control.

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They weren't taking any chances of you releasing the battery accidentally - you need to slide forward the spring loaded door over the port and then also press the button concealed behind it to actually release the battery. That took me a few seconds to figure out initially as the spring on the flap is strong enough that it feels like you're releasing the latch just by opening that.

Underside is as you would expect devoid of much. Battery itself to the right, a release lever to push the card in the PCMCIA slot out and some feet.

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The rear feet are actually spring loaded and pop out about a centimetre by pushing the release switches next to them to help hold the keyboard at a slightly more ergonomic angle for typing. Feels a slightly more sturdy solution than the flimsy hinged plastic ones on the IBM ThinkPad I have from the same era.

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I imagine quite a decent chunk of survivors of this model still have these snapped off.

Opening the lid presents you with a display which looks tiny by today's standards but was pretty much par for the course at the time.

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Oh, and a very conspicuous Intel logo.

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Which I actually find a little surprising as it seemed a little bit of an anachronism. As I understand it, Toshiba had pretty much exclusively used Intel CPUs since the left behind the 286 architecture in the dying days of the 80s. Latest machine I've seen with a non-Intel CPU is the T1600 which uses a Harris made 286. The Intel Inside logo of course became a common sight in the mid to late 90s as pretty much as soon as the Pentium hit the ground AMD and Cyrix (and probably many others I've never heard of or have forgotten) were leaning heavily on the market with their own alternatives. It just feels a little odd to see it on a machine from this particular moment in time though, as my reaction there is basically "Yeah...well what else would be inside?" The only non-Intel 486 CPUs I own are from right at the end of its run in the form of a couple of AMD made 100MHz DX4s. I will say though, Windows 3.11 absolutely flies running on that hardware - especially if you've got enough memory to buffer the entire OS and your most commonly used programs into RAM on startup...

Back to the machine at hand - the keyboard layout is standard Toshiba fare for the time period, barely changed from the T1200 save for a few tweaks to accommodate the function keys running to F12.

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Sadly in the interests of reducing the depth of the machine, this has lost the lovely Alps mechanical keyboard that most of the 80s machines plus the big mains powered luggables used. This is a membrane board with a rubber dome assisted plastic spring which looks almost like a sort of proto-scissor mechanism.

You can clearly see I've not cleaned this keyboard yet...

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It's a shame to lose the Alps keyboards of the older machines as they were truly lovely to type on, though with portability being an ever bigger driver I can absolutely see why Toshiba decided to do this. It does reduce the overall profile of the keyboard by a good 50% compared to the earlier ones - and I'd imagine more than halves the weight.

As far as typing action goes - it's thoroughly inoffensive. Very smooth, and extremely quiet...Which I guess does work in its favour compared to the Alps boards which *are* somewhat on the noisy side if you're sharing the space with colleagues or using a machine in a public area of a hotel or similar.

I was of two minds about whether to try powering this machine up as I know the earlier models tend to suffer horrendous capacitor leakage issues by this point in their lives. However I know that the seller had already had this plugged in, so most likely if anything was going to blow up it would already have done so. Plus most notably it doesn't have "that smell" which I have come to absolutely recognise as Toshiba leaky capacitor goop (not the same smell as magic smoke having escaped from semiconductors - though those two *do* tend to go hand in hand!), so I figured let's give it a try and see what happens. After checking the output from the power supply itself anyway - which is a tad on the low side but looks sane.

No horrible noises, no smoke...Just a green DC in light, and after a minute or so an amber battery LED which indicates that it's charging (or at least trying to...Given we're talking about a 29 year old NiMH battery here).

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Pressing the power switch resulted in the machine immediately tripping out, which I kind of expected based on prior experience. These seem to really struggle to start up without at least some juice in the battery, so I left it be for half an hour or so. By "left it be" I mean watched it like a hawk while cleaning the kitchen around it.

Trying to power it up again got slightly further - but it still died as soon as it tried to spin up the hard drive. On a hunch I tried something - powered it up initially just on the battery - which indeed got the drive up and spinning, then plugged the DC input back in. I think the power supply itself is struggling.

Hey look, we have life! Predictably the standard "Error in CMOS detected - Bad checksum - press [F1] to enter setup..." message popped up.

BIOS configuration facility on these machines is very, very basic.

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Sorry for the horrible photo there - the initial test was done at the dining table which mean the sun was basically directly behind the screen hence the horrendous reflection.

Confirmed we had the expected 8Mb of memory though, and had correctly picked up the hard disk existing - and nicely tells us that we have the higher capacity option fitted (200Mb was the standard option for this model). Also confirmed the display had indeed survived transport.

Hit [End] and crossed my fingers. Had no idea if the hard drive would actually read, or indeed if there was even anything on it, much less a bootable OS.

Would you look at that...

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After a surprisingly short boot period, we had a desktop.

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Very little on here to be honest, aside from Lotus Ami Pro it looks to just be a pretty bare bones Windows 95B install.

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Which actually seems to be perfectly responsive, so I'm inclined to leave it be. There's no personal data on here I can see anywhere so I don't feel the need to wipe it.

I DID however feel the need to tidy the desktop up.

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Here's another (somewhat out of focus) blast from the past...

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Ah yes, that era of Windows 95 when they were really trying to push internet connectivity down your throat.

The one thing I've found with very much does not work though - and it's a bit of a pain - is the floppy drive. One of the concessions Toshiba made to getting their drive profiles down to this extent was using a belt drive, and based on the noises it's making and prior experience the belt has snapped. So it's most likely entirely fixable, but will require the drive to come out - and I'm pretty sure that basically involves taking the entire machine to pieces (including removing the main system board) to get to it. Well I want to do a thorough check for any capacitor issues anyway, so not the worst thing necessarily. Plus it will make giving the case a really thorough clean a thousand times easier.

In the meantime though, I basically have no means to easily get software onto/off of it. I do somewhere have a couple of PCMCIA network and SCSI cards - but the problem there is that they won't work without first getting drivers onto the machine - and I don't think my patience runs to attempting to faff around with null modem cables and Telnet to send the necessary files from another machine. Repairing the floppy drive will most likely gain me far less additional grey hairs.

In the meantime though it appears to otherwise be fully functional.

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The display has suffered somewhat from the issue with a loss of contrast around the lower edges of the screen which seems to be very common to panels from this era (I think the polariser starts to separate from the panel itself), but doesn't affect usability in this case. You can only really notice it on a dark background, and even then it's not massively obvious if you're not looking at the screen from an angle.

This screen (speaking of blasts from the past) shows it at its most noticeable.

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This does make me wonder if I do need to do a little bit of tweaking of the Windows installation though. I suspect we may be missing some drivers - I'd have expected under Windows 95 for ACPI to have control over the system power and for it to have switched itself off during shutdown. I also noted that it doesn't seem to be able to detect the battery status (though that may just be because the battery is stuffed!), so that's something to look into. Speaking of the battery though, it has enough life that this afternoon I was able to power the machine up fully into Windows and have it running long enough to take quite a lot of photos and to shut down again without it complaining - must have been up for a good 30 minutes I reckon, which definitely surprised me.

Definitely a good one to have in the collection though, and should clean up nicely with a little bit of work.

The only real downside to it configuration wise I guess is the lack of any onboard sound other than the PC speaker, as a 50MHz 486 with a TFT screen would have been a pretty good candidate for some DOS gaming features otherwise. Far more so than on the ThinkPad it will share the shelf with - which runs Doom very nicely thank you very much - but actually trying to play it on the DSTN screen the ThinkPad has ends up being like a bad acid trip. Gaming really isn't a priority as far as I'm concerned personally, but they do make for good tech demos!

It's quite nice to have Toshiba's evolution of the laptop basically book ended, having started with the T1000 in 1987.

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Having this, the T1200, T1600, T1850C and the T1950CT all together is quite interesting, it's very clear to see how the design has been incrementally refined year by year until they got to this point - which colour and some cost cutting aside is basically a modern laptop form factor.
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Gosh! That's a great addition to the museum Zel!

I have fond memories of those and remember them when they really were the bee's knees :D

That trackball was a great innovation...
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I remember using one of those at work. It certainly would have had a Toshiba branded version of Windows. I think that the upgrade to generic Windows 95 probably lost the battery device driver.
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I seem to recall that you have an Amiga. If so then this may interest you.

AmigaOS 3.2.2 released for those feeling nostalgic
From The Register.

There is one in our attic, my son's from ages ago. He hasn't looked at it in at least ten years.
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myglaren wrote: 09 Mar 2023, 10:19 I seem to recall that you have an Amiga. If so then this may interest you.

AmigaOS 3.2.2 released for those feeling nostalgic
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There is one in our attic, my son's from ages ago. He hasn't looked at it in at least ten years.
I do indeed. Well I have a couple actually, but the A1200 which I bought in the mid 90s is the one which I always come back to. I do look forward one day to having enough space that I can actually have it set up more or less full time rather than having to dig it out periodically. When that happens it will probably get one of the more modern accelerators installed. Part of me says "Maybe they'll have got cheaper by then..." but realistically I know full well that's never going to happen. Feature heavy Amiga accelerator cards have always been expensive (I can't remember what the Apollo 1230 - 50MHz 68030 - card it currently has fitted cost me back around 2000-ish when I bought it second hand, but it wasn't cheap!).

I might well have to look into that software. It sounds like they've actually addressed quite a few of the really irksome aspects of the older versions - and I'm still running OS3.0 on mine. It would be a royal pain to set up without an optical drive though and I don't currently have the facility to connect one as my buffered IDE interface expansion was lent to a friend a few years ago who promptly vanished off the face of the planet...A new one is only £35 or thereabouts, but would likely be redundant if I were to install a new accelerator, so I keep stopping myself before buying one. It's become somewhat of a running joke that this is the single object which has been consistently periodically costing me money for longer than anything else I own. I flatly refuse to actually do the math to work out what that number is because that would probably be hazardous to my sanity.

I've been re-taking a few of the photos from yesterday as I wasn't happy with how they looked with the background being off at an angle relative to the subject, and took the opportunity to grab photos of the three models of Toshiba's early laptops that I have to hand to illustrate that incremental evolution from year to year I was talking about.

T1000. 1987.

CPU: Intel 80C88, 4.77MHz.
Memory: 512K.
Storage: 3.5" 720K floppy disk. 256K ROM containing MS-DOS 2.11.
Display: Monochrome reflective LCD, addressed as a CGA display as far as software is concerned.
Weight: 2.9Kg.
Battery life: Up to 5 hours.

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T1200. 1988.

CPU: Intel 80C86, 9.54MHz/4.77Mhz switchable.
Memory: 1Mb.
Storage: 3.5" 720K floppy disk. 20Mb internal hard drive. 384K suspend-to-RAM.
Display: Monochrome backlit LCD. Addressed as a CGA display.
Weight: 4.1Kg.
Battery life: Up to 3 hours very dependent on use.

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Technically the T1200 is actually an evolution of the earlier T1100 and T1000 Plus (which confusingly pre-date the T1000...because Toshiba like to mess with our heads with their model numbers), but looking at things purely chronologically this lineup still makes sense.

T1600. 1989.

CPU: Harris 80C286, 16MHz. Optional 80287 math co-processor.
Memory: 1-5Mb.
Storage: 3.5" 1.44Mb floppy disk. 40Mb internal hard drive. 384K suspend-to-RAM.
Display: Greyscale backlit LCD. Addressed as EGA.
Weight (with 2 battery packs fitted): 5.7Kg.
Battery life: Up to an hour per battery - which were hot swappable as there were two slots.

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This one in particular for me also for me signals where the line between their big old luggable "portable desktops" like the T3200 and the laptops really started to blur as the laptops got more powerful and the desktop luggables generally got smaller and lighter.

I really need something from 1990/1 to round this out I think...will need to keep my eyes open.

I did just stumble across something potentially VERY useful however when trying to confirm the exact CPU spec of the T1600 - this page over on Caps Wiki which in addition to the capacitors (which are pretty easily identifiable) also lists some of the values of the resistors and semiconductors which tend to have been corroded beyond recognition on the power supply board, so this might be a step closer to my actually getting a T1600 up and running out of the three boxes of bits I currently have. The one photographed is currently missing almost all of its innards for all it looks complete!
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After far, far too much faffing around, have finally got the webpage for the Toshiba T1950CT up.

I've basically run into a hard limit with my hardware as far as photography is concerned. Adding a lot of extra diffuse light in a single colour temperature has vastly helped in many areas, but I'm pretty stuck as far as depth of field is concerned as I have no manual aperture control on my phone camera - and I just can't stop it down far enough to get the whole frame this close up in sharp focus. I may just finally have to admit it's time to pick up a DSLR for this work as I can then easily enough get hold of a lens that's actually well suited to my needs. Simple fact of the matter is that I'm holding myself to higher standards these days and would really like to up my game a bit. To be fair, the camera on this phone does a cracking job at really close up macro work and for "normal" photography, it's just in that awkward 2-4' range that it really struggles a bit.

Nevertheless, I did manage to improve things a fair bit from where we were a few days ago.

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I'm planning to revisit the last few photos where I've got that machine in pieces when I go back in to recap the PSU board and change the floppy drive belt - I really wasn't set up for taking photos while I was actively taking stuff apart and working out how it came apart (and hopefully went back together), but I know now so am happy to pause to get some better photos of the innards and give a better overview of how things actually slot together.

I've also made a few changes to how images are handled in the page, not least because I remembered something I last touched in about 2002. Which is the fact that you can directly through the HTML declare an image size not just to a pixel size, but also to a percentage of the page width (or height). This is something that when I originally started putting the page together I ignored for a couple of reasons. Firstly was that browsers used to do a truly awful job of actually scaling the images, and secondly it made loading the page really resource intensive. It was also pretty pointless I thought as provided I allowed for a screen size of 1024 pixels or wider most folks would be just fine. Yeah, the world has changed a bit since then. Browsers are now capable of handling the scaling entirely acceptably. Modern hardware really isn't going to notice the resource load of scaling the images as they load. More to the point though, I'm needing to cater for browser windows anywhere from 350 to 4000 odd pixels wide now! The 640 pixel wide inline images look absolutely comical on a modern high resolution display - yet are still wide enough to make pages basically unusable in portrait mode on most mobile devices. Helpfully that old percentage of page width tag now also hooks in with the reported viewport size in a modern browser, so irrespective of what you're viewing it on the inline images should now scale to 75% of the viewed page width.

Obviously this is a change I'll need to go back and make to a whooooole lot of other pages now (especially as I'm upping the resolution of the inline images from a base 640px as that will obviously look awful scaled up to 1024px), so there's a bit of manual involvement needed.

Something else I'm hoping to get implemented in the not too distant future is HTTPS. While I see it as pretty much completely irrelevant for the type of website I'm running, I'm utterly sick to the back teeth of Google Webmaster Tools complaining at me about the lack of HTTPS support, and know that my search results are being adversely affected by that "error" in the site profile. It's not exactly hard to deal with either so there's really no excuse on my part other than finding the activation energy to actually spend fifteen minutes faffing around with Apache getting it set up.
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Oops.

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Absolutely wasn't actively looking for this one but got...as with the last one...pointed at it by someone on another forum. Was on Gumtree, and priced stupidly cheap. Even bearing in mind the diesel usage from the near 300 mile round trip to collect it, I reckon it was still about half the going rate for them on eBay.

Not even had a chance to look at it for more than ten seconds yet as it's been a busy day. Maybe tomorrow. Much the usual crossing of fingers that this one hasn't dissolved itself or been fried now. At first glance though it's cosmetically a tidy example.

This dates from 1990. So we've got covered now...

1987: T1000. T3200. T3200SXC.
1988: T1200. T3100e.
1989: T1600.
1990: T1200XE (this one).
1991: T5200.
1992: Gap!
1993: T1850C.
1994: T1950CT.

Assuming I've not forgotten any...

Though we did have a casualty on the way home.

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Not the end of the world, but it's a hassle I could do without. On the plus side it will get rid of the chip and annoying scratched bit of the screen I guess! Just hoping it's not cracked due to rust in the screen surround.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Well it's not looking great for our patient.

What I believe to be the suspend to RAM battery pack has obviously been leaking for a while. On the T1200 and T1600 this makes a mess but doesn't usually actually do any damage because of the location. Sadly on the T1200XE it's right up against one corner of the motherboard.

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It has done a little bit of damage, but provided the two ICs in the firing line have survived it should be entirely repairable.

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Half a dozen traces which look like they may be suspect, but they're easily accessible. Unlike on an Acorn A3000 where I've got similar issues, but where all of the involved traces are about 1/4 the width and all vanish under the ROM sockets.

The power supply board unfortunately appears to have suffered from the standard "I wonder if this still works?" damage.

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I count three FETs which have holes in them. Possible they've just failed due to over current because the caps associated with those lines are basically dead short...but given the complexity of this PCB I reckon the odds of there being basically impossible (at least at my level) to diagnose collateral damage I would say is very high.

There are actually markings on all the visibly damaged parts though, so provided I can source replacements I guess I clean it up, change those and the caps and see what happens. Nothing to lose by trying. As it is it's basically a static exhibit and/or a future parts machine.

I was quite surprised to find this little thing in there when I pulled the case off though.

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At a glance...it's a Conner hard drive. The odd thing not immediately apparent from that photo though is that it's a 2.5" drive. I've not personally come across one of theirs in this format before, and at 1990 I think this is the earliest 2.5" drive I've got actually. Unfortunately it appears to be dead. As best I can tell the head actuator arm bearings have seized. Don't really think there's anything I can do to revive that.

On the plus side compared to the T1200, T1600 or T3200, the drive here *is* a standard 2.5" IDE, so it's theoretically far easier to replace with a modern flash based solution than the aforementioned oddball JVC/Ricoh/Fujitsu almost-MFM-but-not-quite drives and their proprietary controllers. Still going to be a bit of a faff given the BIOS on these systems is hard coded to use one type and only one type of drive so whatever goes in would need to be capable of appearing to the system exactly like this CP-2024 - so 654 cylinders, 2 heads and 33 sectors per track. I've played around with this a bit with another machine from around this era and annoyingly if the drive doesn't appear as expected the machine will tend to just hang during the self test rather than just misreporting the size of anything. Yes, this is one of the reasons I have a small stack of spare Conner 102/204/408Mb drives in the corner. Sure as anything the moment I chose to get rid of them they'd start dropping like flies.

For the T1200XE I guess overall jury is still out. Motherboard and PSU board are currently being cleaned so I can get a better look at things without horrible sticky battery electrolyte and capacitor goop everywhere. Not holding out much hope for the PSU though.

One of those things that's really frustrating as if they are honestly just dug out of a cupboard after being forgotten for 20 years, these machines are at least 80% savable - right up to the point where someone plugs them in. Which is why I basically interpret any eBay listing that says "Untested as I don't have the power supply" to mean "I plugged it in and smoke came out." Basically because nearly every one I've bought in the last five years or so described as such had plainly been blown up, and not historically. One of the reasons I really do want to get the pages for the rest of these machines written up - it's all the more places I can put up the advice of "please don't plug it in..."

Not sure if with enough resources if another power source could be substituted to make the machine at least work to some extent, but that definitely requires more reverse engineering skills than I have. Especially without any schematics or even a pin out diagram of the motherboard to PSU interconnect sockets.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Interesting stuff Zel :) Keep it coming, following with interest - especially for the electronics side of it...

"please don't plug it in..." applies equally to valve radios and TVs found covered in dust in attics and sheds. Damage is assured if you do...
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Few little bits done in the last few days. The poor Caddy was due an oil change in the middle of January, finally got to that yesterday.

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While doing a little looking around I spotted a bit of fuel hose that was clearly shot.

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So I replaced that. I do notice on closer inspection that all of the factory elbows there are just starting to perish so I'll go back in and replace them all at a later date. That will involve doing battle with half a dozen VW spring clips though which I absolutely didn't have the patience for yesterday, especially as I was pretty short on time.

All back together for now.

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I'm still at a loss as to the reason behind the (separate) oil and water consumption incidents we had. About six months back we had a period where she suddenly started using oil - like a whole sump's worth in less than a tank of fuel sort of amounts. No leakage visible, nor any smoke visible. Then after about a week it just stopped...that was about 7000 miles ago and I've never had to add a drop since. Likewise back around the new year I noticed that the coolant had dropped to just below the minimum mark between my weekly (ish) checks...topped it up then and it's not budged a millimetre since, even during a "brisk" run to and from Glasgow. Answers on a postcard?

A much awaited package arrived in the middle of last week I finally got a chance to look at.

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Ah, you can tell this is actually one of my packages which has returned to me. It contained this.

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One Invacar wheel hub with four shiny new studs. This is a later style hub, and these were primarily anchored by welding rather than threading, not really intended to be replaceable - repair procedure just being to swap the hub (remember this isn't a private car where parts cost is a major issue) rather than to faff about swapping individual studs. They are threaded into the hub, but only by a few threads. Not like the older design which was threaded through most of the thickness of the hub.

This has been remade with sections of high tensile 3/8" BSF 20TPI threaded rod, with specially made little collars to make up where the shoulder on the original studs were. The original studs were made of quite soft metal, so this will be far stronger even taking into account the heat of the welding will probably have weakened things a little.

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Using the threaded bar has made life a lot easier as I think we would have had issues with clearance at the rear with bolt heads which was the previous idea.

As soon as I round up a set of wheel nuts and have enough spare time I'll get this swapped out for the damaged one on TPA. Will be so nice having that sorted properly. I've just never fully trusted my repairs on that hub, so always wince every time I turn right and load that wheel up!

Spent a little bit of time on the Renault today ticking off a very tiny and hard to photograph job.

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Air intake hose on the Renault reattached to the little plastic duct that's supposed to channel cool air into the intake the hose was previously dangling loose pulling air from the engine bay.

It actually took a surprisingly long time to sort that as the hose was a really snug fit on the ductwork. Got there in the end though. Probably will make hardly if any difference, but I could see it every time I opened the bonnet and it was bugging me. There is an intake temperature sensor between the air filter and throttle though so it may help our efficiency. Guess time will tell.

Something I utterly *failed* to find this afternoon though was the horn. I want to replace it, as currently it has an absolutely pathetic little "meep" which sounds like it's been taken off a budget end 80s moped. According to the manual this would have had a twin air horn set up from the factory. I've got a suitable replacement sitting in the garage, and figured I'd chuck that on today. Except I can't find the horn! Nearside front is the best I've got. I need to borrow someone to push the stalk while I stick my head under the front of the car. Currently guessing that it's hidden in the void behind the bumper underneath one of the headlights (you can't see into these areas easily).

I have noticed that the bumper is loose on the nearside, so need to investigate that anyway. May just be the one mounting bolt being a little loose, was out of time before I could look into that though.

I've still not managed to track down a set of drop links. So I'm going to have a go at re-bushing the original ones.

I did decide to actually try the dealer as I had nothing to lose really. Hats off to the Milton Keynes Westcroft Renault parts desk, while they couldn't actually track anything useful down (unsurprisingly) they absolutely couldn't have been more helpful and pleasant to deal with. They also printed off the 70 or so pages of parts listed they did have on the system, which while by no means a full listing does mean that I have part numbers on hand for quite a lot of things now.

This drawing may also be handy when I come to do battle with the sunroof.

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Really grateful to them for that. Even though they knew I wasn't likely to be spending any money there they still went out their way to be helpful.

Fair contrast to VW, who treated me like something they'd want to scrape off the bottom of their shoe when I had the audacity to ask about parts rather than spend £40K on their shiny modern torture devices.
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I'm not a fan of bodging things, but occasionally needs must.

You may recall a while ago something disintegrated in the Renault's sunroof leading to the rear edge not raising to the fully closed position.

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Thanks to the drain pan being reasonably deep this didn't cause any leakage issues - what it did cause however was a god awful rattle and a whistle above 40mph. A sunroof that doesn't open I can live with if need be, one which makes a racket right in my left ear, not so much.

Something has gone seriously awry in the mech, a lot of bits of broken black plastic have fallen out and the sled is no longer properly attached to the panel.

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It will all need to come out to be investigated at some point, however for now we've gone for a simple solution.

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Foam board to the rescue.

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Good enough for now. I need to go after the trim panel with the fabric adhesive as it's separated from the board a bit. Will wait to deal with that until the roof itself is sorted though so it won't hopefully need to be manhandled again after being repaired.

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Is it fixed? Absolutely not. Is it in a condition where I can worry about it a bit further down the line now? Yes. I'll call that a win.
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