Energy Matters Global and Domestic

This is the place for posts that don't fit into any other category.
User avatar
NewcastleFalcon
Posts: 26252
Joined: 25 Feb 2009, 10:40
x 7084

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by NewcastleFalcon »

Another Vehicle to Grid (V2G) news story from Fleetnews.
Vehicle-to-grid trial proves EVs can provide real-time grid support
This is the first time that vehicle-to-grid technology has been demonstrated in Great Britain to show that EVs can receive a direct signal from National Grid ESO to support system balancing.
Unsurprising that it works, in some ways its pretty simple. EV's have relatively large capacity batteries capable of storing and discharging electricity. For fair recompense it is to the ESO's advantage to gain access to such capacity.
Might be some time before it appears as its own dial on the Nation's energy dashboard. :-D

REgards Neil
Only One AA Box left
687 Trinity, Jersey
User avatar
bobins
(Donor 2025)
Posts: 6446
Joined: 05 Jul 2012, 18:07
x 3321

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by bobins »

I found the article I referred to a couple of posts ago about the ESO (actually a DNO, my mistake) being able to switch off your meter, but to be fair the article is part of the Daily Mail group, so take it with a pinch of salt.....
A large pinch of salt
A large pinch of salt
It did link to the change proposal from Richard Hartshorn of Scottish and Southern Electricity which can be found here. The concept seemed squarely aimed at remotely switching off BEV charging when demand was high and the local infrastructure was likely to fall over. That does, in a way, tie in with the original spec for Smart meters where they were designed to include the ability to control a household's power useage.

However........... The fact that a DNO is willing to stick 'it's' head above the parapet and propose remotely controlling a home car charger, and the fact that the ESO (National Grid) is willing to publicly say they'll pay people to switch off high useage devices (car chargers) during peak demand times, and the fact that the ESO is willing to pay people to use their car batteries to put power back into the grid doesn't fill me with confidence. They might all be whizzo ideas which can be spun (somewhat incredulously) as 'a good idea', but what does it say about our electricity infrastructure ? We were fed the line that there was ample power available and that it was only in extremely limited scenarios that there would be energy supply problems, but here we already have a DNO and the ESO making efforts to gain the ability to control the local power distro because they can foresee problems. We're not even slightly close to a decent uptake of BEVs yet.
Perhaps the solution is to ignore it and pretend nothing's happening :rofl2:
Last edited by bobins on 23 Aug 2022, 08:04, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
NewcastleFalcon
Posts: 26252
Joined: 25 Feb 2009, 10:40
x 7084

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by NewcastleFalcon »

bobins wrote: 25 Jul 2022, 21:23 London narrowly avoided post-heatwave blackout

"Britain paid the highest price on record for electricity in London last week as the capital narrowly avoided a power blackout, it has emerged. Increased demand for energy across Europe, combined with a bottleneck in the grid, forced National Grid's Electricity System Operator (ESO) to buy electricity from Belgium at the highest price Britain has ever paid to keep power flowing."
More on the BBC website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62296443
Found another article on that.
https://www.newpower.info/2022/07/spike ... er-prices/
Meanwhile, relatively low gas prices in GB meant electricity was being generated here and exported across interconnectors, with France, Netherlands and Belgium interconnectors all at maximum capacity.
All three interconnectors are in the southeast, and simultaneously demand in the London area was increasing (partly due to air condtioning load). However, the network required to move GB power into the area (across the so-called LE1 boundary) was limited by unexpected transmission line outages in the southeast. Other issues in the mix included power stations in the southeast in outage, low wind generation in the region and lower transfer capacity in cables due to the heatwave.

There was no shortage of power in other areas of GB, but it could not be transferred to the southeast; to balance southeast demand and supply NGESO said it had to ‘pull power back’ from the interconnectors.
There is more in the article. So plenty energy generated in GB overall on 20th July, but impossible to get it from GB to GB. The generated electricity previously being pumped into Europe hand over fist earlier in the day, presumably because that was where the most profit could be made from the excess generation at that point; had to be pulled back later in the day when things were going haywire in the South East. The "pull back of power" required the topmost of top dollar prices to be paid and set an unwanted record.

REgards Neil
Only One AA Box left
687 Trinity, Jersey
Peter.N.
Moderating Team
Posts: 11634
Joined: 02 Apr 2005, 16:11
x 1222

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by Peter.N. »

Just paid nearly £1000 for less than half a tank of heating oil (1000) litres, that's about 3 times what I paid for the last lot, I have been waiting for it to comedown to a reasonable price but it hasn't, probably will now I've bought it!

Even so that works out at 12.5p per KWH including 15% boiler inefficiency as against electricity at about 30p per Kwh and rising!

Peter
User avatar
NewcastleFalcon
Posts: 26252
Joined: 25 Feb 2009, 10:40
x 7084

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by NewcastleFalcon »

Perversely burning oil becomes the cheapest form of heating the home, although surprisingly I see that new condensing oil boilers churn out efficiencies of 94% and above. I presume the price for the oil is the delivered price/litre, and for your heating/hot water energy needs at least, there are no add on standing charges like those for using gas or electricity.

There is definitely something wrong with the markets, subsidy and taxation if in 2022, burning oil is the cheapest way of providing domestic heating.

REgards Neil
Last edited by NewcastleFalcon on 23 Aug 2022, 13:10, edited 1 time in total.
Only One AA Box left
687 Trinity, Jersey
User avatar
bobins
(Donor 2025)
Posts: 6446
Joined: 05 Jul 2012, 18:07
x 3321

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by bobins »

I think burning oil is also regarded as being 'greener' when compared to LPG when it comes to home energy audits.
Peter.N.
Moderating Team
Posts: 11634
Joined: 02 Apr 2005, 16:11
x 1222

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by Peter.N. »

Yes it's in stock and paid for. What I have now should last us for about a year, hopefully it will have gone down by then. :rofl2: We also have a reasonable supply of our own wood and even anthracite hasn't gone up that much. We use the stove when it gets very cold, saves on oil.

I believe that some railway companies have gone back to diesel due to the price of electricity.

Peter
User avatar
myglaren
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 27308
Joined: 02 Mar 2008, 13:30
x 5288

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by myglaren »

1661238168809.png
"We All Face The Raven In The End"
User avatar
NewcastleFalcon
Posts: 26252
Joined: 25 Feb 2009, 10:40
x 7084

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by NewcastleFalcon »

Sobering,
End of the month and the fixed price deal ends, and this is the first of the coming hikes as we move onto the standard variable tariff.
temp2.jpg
Regards Neil
Only One AA Box left
687 Trinity, Jersey
Gibbo2286
(Donor 2020)
Posts: 7912
Joined: 08 Jun 2011, 18:04
x 2814

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by Gibbo2286 »

We need to get back to the companies competing for business Neil but it's not going to happen until the Germans and Russians agree to stop fighting over the pipelines and get the gas flowing again.
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new. (Albert Einstein)
Peter.N.
Moderating Team
Posts: 11634
Joined: 02 Apr 2005, 16:11
x 1222

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by Peter.N. »

Gas has always been the cheapest fuel by miles but it looks as though oil is marginally cheaper now. Electricity is just ridiculous, can't see what that has to do with the Russians.

Peter
Hell Razor5543
Donor 2023
Posts: 14089
Joined: 01 Apr 2012, 09:47
x 3184

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by Hell Razor5543 »

Peter.N. wrote: 24 Aug 2022, 13:38 Gas has always been the cheapest fuel by miles but it looks as though oil is marginally cheaper now. Electricity is just ridiculous, can't see what that has to do with the Russians.

Peter
Gas fired boilers generating steam for the turbines?
James
ex BX 1.9
ex Xantia 2.0HDi SX
ex Xantia 2.0HDi LX
ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
ex C5 2.2HDi VTX+

Yes, I am paranoid, but am I paranoid ENOUGH?
Out amongst the stars, looking for a world of my own!
User avatar
NewcastleFalcon
Posts: 26252
Joined: 25 Feb 2009, 10:40
x 7084

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by NewcastleFalcon »

Better news

Scotland’s biggest wind farm plumbs world-beating depths to spin for first time

also the bit needed to unlock the potential of renewables is storage, slowly but surely expanding.

Octopus’ new investment partnership targets Britain’s biggest unbuilt grid battery


REgards Neil
Only One AA Box left
687 Trinity, Jersey
Peter.N.
Moderating Team
Posts: 11634
Joined: 02 Apr 2005, 16:11
x 1222

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by Peter.N. »

They are building a big battery store in Hawkchurch about 1.5 miles from here over the border in Devon in an area of 'outstanding natural beauty'.

When we were in the North of Scotland in May there were wind turbines being installed all over Sutherland and Caithness. The lady that owns the farm cottage we stay in has it out on rent to the electricity workers most of the year, she lets us have it for a week but has to find the workers alternative accommodation. On the way to the cottage you go past a hydro electric power station, beautiful looking stone building and very little noise until you look through the trees to the huge substation with its gleaming galvanising. I think it's the Loch Shin station.

Peter
User avatar
bobins
(Donor 2025)
Posts: 6446
Joined: 05 Jul 2012, 18:07
x 3321

Re: Energy Matters Global and Domestic

Unread post by bobins »

Considering there's a bit of a gas shortage going on, wouldn't it make more sense to turn down the gas burners and turn up our all our lovely Gigawatts of wind generation a bit ? Oh.... hang on a minute...... 8-[
Becalmed - Gridwatch
Becalmed - Gridwatch