Gareth's S1 Activa Progress Report

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XantiaMan
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Finally had a little play today.

Got the support brace underneath removed. Remove the bottom engine steady, and the top steady. This hasnt given me the engine movement i was hoping for, in fact so little i cannot fully remove the heatshield from the top as it snails round the turbine house and is too tight against the bulkhead :roll:

Anyone have ideas on what might help me get a bit more engine movement? I dont really want to slacken off the gearbox mount.

I may not need to move it much, as i can access the manifold nuts ok, but it is looking likely that the turbo will have to be split from the manifold, dropped a bit, then the manifold will come free.
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when i got in to have a look at my turbo i just undone the bottom mount held the engine on the crane and took the n/s mount off so i could drop the engine and pull it forward a bit too whilst leaving the pita to reach gearbox mount attached, it may take some wiggling and maybe a helping hand to move the engine from above while you lift the turbo out but i recon it can be done.

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I've only got 4 nuts left to remove, the two on the lower manifold to turbo, and the two holding the manifold onto the head. One of these, its a right PITA, it needs a very slim 10mm multi-sided socket to fit, so slim i may have to buy one and slim it out more! The turbo ones are doable with many extension bars and a 1/2 inch ratchet.

There is a stud missing off the head, must of fallen out at some point! No doubt this would be causing the gasket to be blowing even worse.

Once i have removed the last of the nuts, its a case of raising the engine leaving the turbo in place, and then sliding the manifold off its studs and away it comes. Should be much easier putting it back together but its still one of the most bloody awkward jobs ever.
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Gareth, I'm watching with interest. Sorry I'm not making comments as this is one job I've yet to do so can't offer much in the way of advice.

I can't help thinking it might have been just as easy to have bitten the bullet and removed the engine complete for this job...
XantiaMan wrote: but its still one of the most bloody awkward jobs ever.
I'd argue with that... Power steering pipe between pump and pinion valve, pinion valve return pipe, heater matrix, steering rack gaiters and Activa front height corrector are all good contenders for the title :lol: :lol:
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Hey, i did say one of :lol: Many jobs on the Activa can best be described as a right s**t :lol:

Removing the engine, what an easy option! There are a number of reason why though, mainly practical.

My driveway is on a slight slope, and with the Activa and the Mondeo on the drive, there isnt enough space to safely use an engine hoist.

The other reason is, to prove that it can be done, it must be, because others have done it but never gone into much detail, as its such a common thing to fail i will be doing a full how to guide with all the shortcuts to help save time.
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I'm all for that guide Gareth. It's a job I need to do on my s2 and don't
want a big production removing the engine. Once you're down that path
you're renewing things like a clutch that may be fine but you have to
renew to maximise the opportunity.

I'd like to just deal with the one issue first not take on a rebuild.

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Thats my feelings too, its just the gasket gone, whereas with my old S2, the clutch slipped on a couple of occasions which is why i took the plunge and removed the lot. My driveway was flat at the old house though, which made it easier, and i did learn a lot about how these Citroens come apart and go back together, which is why i am avoiding it the second time!
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Success! The manifold is off, leaving the turbo and even the shield insitu!

Here's the proof -

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Manifold not cracked, gasket is shot to bits near where the missing stud was.


Now, thats the hard bit done. I now know what tools i need for the job, and i will do a short how to guide on this, as its a common CT engine issue.

I had hell trying to find a 12 point deep 10mm socket for the turbo nuts underneath, i had to buy a set from Halfords, with the assitance of a 3/8 to 1/2 inch adaptor, a bendy join, a few extension bars and a trolley jack handle for leverage, these came undone fine. The oil drain and water drain is still connected, the turbo does not have to move too much.

The hardest nut to access is right underneath next to the turbo, a deep 10mm is too long, a short 10mm means you cannot get a ratchet on, and a 10mm spanner is too thick to go over the nut and not foul the casting on the manifold.

Luckily because they were so loose, i managed to shift the turbo back, used a flexy join with the short 10mm and bit by bit, it came undone.

On reassembly a modified 10mm spanner will be used for the job.

The heat shield defeated me. It curls round the turbine housing and a cast mounting sticks out preventing it from being removed. Depending on time, i may remove it and mod it, but it could be left in place.

The fire ring on the turbo/manifold join will be replaced, a dab of superglue will be used to hold it in place when refitted which im sure will burn away once up to temp.

I need to replace the missing stud, assuming its not snapped off! I need to check this first as it may mean the head will have to come off! Sure its ok though.
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Went and ordered the bits i needed, gasket was £26 +vat and the fire ring £13+vat, plus a stud and a few spare nuts, came to £55 all in, should be here by next mon/tues although Duff Morgan are usually quicker than they say.
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Excellent stuff Gareth!
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Managed to pick up these polished pipes for £20.

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I will be using these to replace the top inlet pipe (plastic one), this will rid me of the boost vent pipe that goes to the controller, not a problem as it will have an MBC and doesnt need it, also the breather hose will be to ATMO and re-routed to a catch tank with filter. Finally the redundant dump valve return wont be used either.

The pipe I/D is within 1mm of the original, being metal it should not suffer from as much heatsoak.

I also have the pipercross filter, need to order an adaptor for that, will take a picture shortly. I'll knock up a heat shield for it so it doesnt suffer too much from heatsoak.
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Nice find, could i be cheeky and ask where they came from or is it a bargain clear out from somwhere. When ive sorted the interior of mine i want to re plumb the intercooler and get a good cold air feed run into the engine bay, trouble is there isnt a great many options, i dont want a bonnet scoop, there is no room at the front by the grill so i may have to put a scoop in the bumper by the foglights and run it over the gearbox to my cone.
good work by the way.

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They were left overs from someone on Rovertech. Its for intercooler piping, 57mm OD. Normally go for a lot more on ebay.

I've ordered some silicone joiners and a reducer for the air filter, which looks like this.

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As you can see the pipe fits in the turbo inlet elbow fine.
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Looks smart.
you probably have your own supply but for silicone ive found this lot are good, price seems average but everything is there including T's etc. i think if searching doesnt turn up something better i will re pipe the Activa from here.


http://www.siliconhose.com/content.asp? ... sportparts

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Good link Dean, i used a supplier on ebay, very similar prices.
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