Aisin Tf-80 / AM6 Oil Change Questions (Mini-Guide Page 4)

[moizeau]

Have a look here https://www.tecmotor.fr/huile-transmiss ... four-stars . Make sure yours uses 3309 and not the later one, is it JW1? It should say on a sticker in the engine bay. It's a fuel economy / environmental regulation depending on age of vehicle thus the Euro 4/5 category.

[barbrady]

I couldn't find sticker with relevant information in the engine bay.
I know the Mobil1, but the mannol most cheaper, that's why I asked opinions.

[GiveMeABreak]

What's your VIN?

[barbrady]

VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]

[Sloppysod]

I tried not to show my disappointment....but he spotted me sobbing in the corner!

Yep, I spoke to the dealer in Mansfield a few weeks ago - they quoted me....wait for it....£600+!! That was for the full (7 ltrs?) amount of fluid, presumably Citroen-branded stuff, and obviously their extortionate labour costs.

I'm now back to thinking I'll just sell the car if I start getting any symptoms, seems less hassle tbh!

Pete

This is a good quote, as, I am not sure I have read it on FCF or esle where, but there is someone out there, calculated that to change the whole 7 liters of oil you need you need a large number of drain/fill cycles, for example each drain/fill action will replace around 51% of the dirty oil. to replace most of the dirty oil you are probably looking at arleast 5 or 6 drain/fill cycles at about 3 litres each cycle which looks about 15 to 18 litres of oil ++++ - I think they told you wrong I think they should have said we will flush 7 litres through you gearbox.
And..........I asked my local dealer for some Genuine Citroen oil and the price was over £40 a litre!! - special stuff see Just bought 6 litres of Total LV (AW-1 Spec) for £40 as I plan on doing another change either this or next weekend.

Barbrady - you are looking for markings like these

Labels on Gearbox AM6 (AW-1) fluid

[GiveMeABreak]

Ok, the rule is:

• EURO 5 engine: AW-1 oil
• EURO 4 engine: JWS 3309 ESSO oil

So your engine is Euro 4 so JWS 3309.

Don't get confused with "Level 5" referred to on the VIN specifications - which is purely a PSA reference and not the same as the Euro Standards.

[barbrady]

It seems this sticker is under the air filter house. Isn't it?

[GiveMeABreak]

The identification 'Plate' is riveted to the Gearbox casing here:	"a" :Automatic gearbox type AISIN "b": Automatic gearbox type PSA "c": Identification marking "d": Serial number
There is an identification label attached to the ECU here:	"e" :Date of manufacture "f": Homologation number (PSA) "g": ECU no. (PSA) "h": Bar code (PSA) "j": Gearbox no. (PSA) "k": Bar code (AISIN) "l": Serial number

[barbrady]

Ok, the rule is:

• EURO 5 engine: AW-1 oil
• EURO 4 engine: JWS 3309 ESSO oil

So your engine is Euro 4 so JWS 3309.

Don't get confused with "Level 5" referred to on the VIN specifications - which is purely a PSA reference and not the same as the Euro Standards.

It means, this oil is good for it. Anybody knows Mannol products?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-TUV-GERM ... 3145774526

[GiveMeABreak]

That should do fine (and it's made in Germany).

[EDC5]

Ok, the rule is:

• EURO 5 engine: AW-1 oil
• EURO 4 engine: JWS 3309 ESSO oil

So your engine is Euro 4 so JWS 3309.

Don't get confused with "Level 5" referred to on the VIN specifications - which is purely a PSA reference and not the same as the Euro Standards.

It means, this oil is good for it. Anybody knows Mannol products?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-TUV-GERM ... 3145774526

For the same money you can get the genuine Mobil ATF 3309:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobil-ATF-JW ... Sw5cNYG31o

[moizeau]

Or use the link I supplied above, 51 euros for 7 litres, so €7,30 a litre.

[barbrady]

Thaks for everybody, but I can get 1 liter Mannol for 3,75 EUR here in Hungary. So the difference is significant.

[moizeau]

Would you like to say where from?

[barbrady]

Of course. But the language is hungarian

https://alkatreszek.hu/atf_multivehicle_1l_metal_ko