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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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MattBLancs wrote: 28 Jul 2023, 13:38
Zelandeth wrote: 27 Jul 2023, 23:49
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So yes...next step here will be pulling the carb and giving it a thorough clean I think.
Mmmm, four star fudge! :rofl2:
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mickthemaverick wrote: 28 Jul 2023, 13:20 Have you got one of these in the collection Zel? :)

https://www.i-bidder.com/en-gb/auction- ... 4c01176bf6
Not as yet, though it's not massively high on the wish list being honest so I'm just going to wait for one to turn up either very cheap (i.e. £20 or less) and/or local. Given the limitations of has compared to the C64 it's more of a historical nice-to-have for the timeline, whereas the C64 is more likely to be actually used for demonstration purposes or actually used for gaming purposes.

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Hopefully will have the last couple of bits I'd been waiting on for the Renault's head work arriving in the next couple of days (the head bolts for some reason have been stuck in customs for ages). Had a bit of a nose around the engine bay looking for any potential headaches I need to be aware of when I start work on it. Also started to douse the exhaust manifold and downpipe nuts in PlusGas.

Something I'd apparently managed to miss when I'd previously been looking around was a missing hose clamp on the vacuum line running off for the brake servo. The end of the hose was also slightly perished right at the end, so that was trimmed and the hose refitted with a suitable clamp.

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You know what? The idle is now smoother. Can only have had a tiny leak there, but I know it really doesn't take much at all to upset things on MAP based systems like these.

Since I got the car the driver's side interior light has been out. I'd put off dealing with that as I was loathe to touch it. The lenses looked suspiciously similar to the plastic used on the interior lights on the early BX and CXs which I know have a tendency to turn to powder if you so much as touch them.

Thankfully the similarity was purely cosmetic and the lens turned out to still be nicely compliant so came off without too much protest and in one piece.

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It cleaned up nicely too.

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Then back in place.

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Looks much better now the lens is actually shiny. Working now too.

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I will probably swap these out the lamps in these for (warm white) LEDs just to ensure that the housings don't get any more cooked than they need to. Also helps reduce the odds of flattening the battery if the doors are left open, as from memory there's no way to turn the interior lights off in this car.

A tiny, low priority job but they all add up and I'd not really done anything on it for a good while so wanted to tick something off even if it's really small.
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MattBLancs wrote: 28 Jul 2023, 13:38
Zelandeth wrote: 27 Jul 2023, 23:49
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So yes...next step here will be pulling the carb and giving it a thorough clean I think.
Mmmm, four star fudge! :rofl2:
Bluebell's looked a bit like that originally... Did not help running at all... At least SU carbs are easy to sort Zel and all bit are easily available for them...
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CitroJim wrote: 29 Jul 2023, 05:28 Bluebell's looked a bit like that originally... Did not help running at all... At least SU carbs are easy to sort Zel and all bit are easily available for them...
That is indeed a blessing. I rather doubt a fixed jet carb with that amount of slime in would have been doing much in the way of providing fuel at all. SUs in my experience unless they're totally seized up will usually run an engine unless they are spectacularly knackered/clogged. They might not run an engine *well* but they'll still try.

Had been planning on going to the Festival of the Unexceptional today, but really am not feeling up to it. The two hour drive there/back plus the weather looking a bit patchy is just more than I have available energy for today. Especially as it's pretty breezy, and driving TPA in the wind is always somewhat stressful. Never mind two hours of it on mostly motorway/dual carriageways. It looks like there's a smaller local show on over by Deanshanger from 1300 though which I will go poke my nose into instead I think.
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Purely for information that Vic20 made £90 + fees!! :-D
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Zelandeth wrote: 29 Jul 2023, 10:54
CitroJim wrote: 29 Jul 2023, 05:28 Bluebell's looked a bit like that originally... Did not help running at all... At least SU carbs are easy to sort Zel and all bit are easily available for them...
That is indeed a blessing. I rather doubt a fixed jet carb with that amount of slime in would have been doing much in the way of providing fuel at all. SUs in my experience unless they're totally seized up will usually run an engine unless they are spectacularly knackered/clogged. They might not run an engine *well* but they'll still try.
The last SU carb'd vehicle I worked on was a Mini and its carb was in a heck of a state but it still basically did the job... It did it a lot better afetr a good cleanup though ;)

Zelandeth wrote: 29 Jul 2023, 10:54 Had been planning on going to the Festival of the Unexceptional today, but really am not feeling up to it. The two hour drive there/back plus the weather looking a bit patchy is just more than I have available energy for today. Especially as it's pretty breezy, and driving TPA in the wind is always somewhat stressful. Never mind two hours of it on mostly motorway/dual carriageways. It looks like there's a smaller local show on over by Deanshanger from 1300 though which I will go poke my nose into instead I think.
I would have but have a house full of central heating engineers and window surveyors so can't really go anywhere this weekend...

Deanshanger looks interesting. I really enjoy local shows.

Next time you're passing Zel, I have something here for you and your Rover ;)
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mickthemaverick wrote: 29 Jul 2023, 12:04 Purely for information that Vic20 made £90 + fees!! :-D
Doesn't surprise me! Anything with a Commodore badge seems to go crazy these days.

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A couple of packages arrived at the end of last week.

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Carb rebuild kit for the Rover.

Also the last couple of bits I'd been waiting on for the head gasket job on the Renault are now here. The timing belt kit is already in the boot. So I *think* I now have everything I need for that.

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It meant this was time to get stuck into cleaning up the Rover's carb. Ten minutes later...

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One extracted carb.

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My suspicion that the innards were likely to be as grubby as the float bowl was pretty quickly proven to be correct.

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That's about a third of what I dug out of there before it was dumped into the ultrasonic cleaner then left it to stew for half an hour.

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I also discovered that the diaphragm was shot. I couldn't see any actual cracks all the way through, but it was definitely perished and had basically turned to plastic. Hard to see the perishing in the photo, but it was definitely there.

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Beyond this point I was covered in carb cleaner etc so no further photos. However it basically consisted of removing all of the major parts of the carb and then putting it together again. I decided not to disturb the throttle shaft at this point, nor replace the needle/seat. My logic here was simple: That until the cold start control physically stuck and resulted in me likely pulling a load of crud out the bottom of the tank, it was running the engine absolutely fine. Visual examination of the needle showed no visible wear or damage at all. There is a tiny bit of play in the throttle shaft, so long term I will probably change it. Right now however I'm not throwing more variables into the mix. I know with the carb clean, it should go back to being fine. I might go back in and finish the rebuild at a later date - when I'm not in a situation where I have only 2/5 cars working!

A little disappointingly the carb to manifold gasket supplied with the kit from SU isn't correct as it lacks the cutout for the slow running air passage. Luckily I still had one in stock from when I bought the head gasket kit.

With everything back together I set about trying to dial things in. For what felt like forever. I just couldn't get the engine to idle smoothly no matter what I did with the mixture adjustment. It would clear up around 1000rpm or so, but below that would just get really stumbly. Until I took about 10 degrees of timing out. At which point she immediately returned to a more or less smooth idle. Not quite as smooth as it used to be, but I was clearly in the right ball park.

I'm not sure if the distributor had crept out of adjustment (the clamp wasn't massively tight) or what had happened there, as I'd not touched the timing in a long while.

Anyhow, with that set more sensibly I set about trying to find tune things a bit. While working largely by ear, I figured I may as well use the equipment I had to help see what I was doing.

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That seemed to be where she was happiest. Not entirely sure that gauge reads accurately with modern fuels, but it was at least a help in terms of making sure I was adjusting things in the direction I thought I was.

Still waiting for the point where connecting things up this way around stops feeling really odd.

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I had a helper for a good portion of the tuning process.

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Must have been a good 15 or 20 minutes they stuck around.

The wiring on the nearside of the engine bay had shed a fair chunk of the outer cloth loom covering at one point and it was blowing around ridiculously in the airflow from the fan. So I set about tidying that up a bit.

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Bit tidier at least.

On a similar note I noticed that the wiring loom down to the generator was rubbing against the brake servo at higher revs due to the airflow from the fan making it flap around at one spot so secured that in place so it no longer moves around.

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A test run revealed things to be pretty close to back to normal. The throttle linkage needed a slight tweak as it was hanging up a little. I didn't realise you needed to preload it slightly because of how several springs act against each other.

The only thing I hadn't refitted prior to the test run was the intake silencer. Now I can fully appreciate why Rover fitted it, but equally I kind of wish they hadn't. Without it the car is plenty quiet and refined under most circumstances, but there is a truly gorgeous howl anywhere above about 3/4 throttle at any real revs.

I would like to get a paper element fuel filter installed between the sediment bowl and the carb, just to capture the smaller particles which can (evidently) get through the strainer. Though I'll need to acquire some fittings to do that as it's an armoured nylon line with crimped on fittings, so not just a matter of splicing in a bit of hose as on many cars.

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Over the last few days I've been using the car quite a bit and am pleased to report that it seems to be back to its usual self. Don't think the idle is *quite* as smooth as it was, but it's close. I'll read the plugs again once we've got a couple of hundred miles covered.

TPA was out and about for yesterday's errands.

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A decision I was quite thankful for given that I got stuck in an absolute stinker of a traffic jam on the way home. Which would have been way more tiresome in any of my other cars.

The only thing I did today was to tame my inner hooligan and refit the intake silencer on the Rover.

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Which is of course absolute concrete insurance that I'm going to want to get to something that it's in the way of within the next 48 hours.

I did pick up a distraction a couple of days ago from a neighbour.

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This is a 1942 era short wave radio receiver made by National, including the power supply and a full set of tuning coils.

This was otherwise going to be destined for the recycling bin...so suffice to say I wasn't going to turn it down. It looks to be in decent shape at least at first glance

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Will obviously need all the wax paper caps like this one replaced though.

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I'm expecting this to be relatively simple though, these were pretty well made units so new set of caps and it will likely wake back up as though it was put away yesterday. Should be interesting anyway.
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Good work on the Rover Zel, just shows how tolerant the old SU is, still running fairly reasonably with all that muck in it!

Be good to see the Renault fixed and back up and running :)

That HRO is quite a find but it's been well and truly got-at over the years. Most of the valves are not originals. B9A and B7G based valves had not even been invented when that particular HRO was built! Back in the day there was a lot of that going on in the amateur world in attempts to improve performance, especially at higher frequencies, and to find substitutes for the original valves which, even in the late 60s and 70s were becoming hard to obtain. I hope the modifications have been well executed, else restoration may be quite a challenge.

You may find it now has a product detector to aid better SSB reception. A popular modification.

Do you have the full set of coil packs? If so, and with it all working well, the old HRO is still quite sought after and can perform well within the limitations of a single superhet. Good luck with it - a nice winter project and a nice change from those vintage laptops!
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Zelandeth wrote: 05 Aug 2023, 00:01 This is a 1942 era short wave radio receiver made by National, including the power supply and a full set of tuning coils.

This was otherwise going to be destined for the recycling bin...so suffice to say I wasn't going to turn it down. It looks to be in decent shape at least at first glance
It still amazes me that folks can can come in possession of some that is clearly pretty ancient - eighty years old! - and their first response is "oh well, best get that down to the tip"

Even more nowadays where googling or even image search might tell you what it is, and even if no inclination to do that, slapping it on eBay, Gumtree or even Freecycle might let the thing find a more appreciative new owner. Throwaway Society and all that.

Anyway, good progress on the vehicles - Rover: if you like the way it sounds, I'd leave that intake box off! Enjoy it the way you like it! :)
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MattBLancs wrote: 05 Aug 2023, 08:42
Zelandeth wrote: 05 Aug 2023, 00:01 This is a 1942 era short wave radio receiver made by National, including the power supply and a full set of tuning coils.

This was otherwise going to be destined for the recycling bin...so suffice to say I wasn't going to turn it down. It looks to be in decent shape at least at first glance
It still amazes me that folks can can come in possession of some that is clearly pretty ancient - eighty years old! - and their first response is "oh well, best get that down to the tip"

Even more nowadays where googling or even image search might tell you what it is, and even if no inclination to do that, slapping it on eBay, Gumtree or even Freecycle might let the thing find a more appreciative new owner. Throwaway Society and all that.

Anyway, good progress on the vehicles - Rover: if you like the way it sounds, I'd leave that intake box off! Enjoy it the way you like it! :)
Apparently they've had it for many years, and have tried several times to move it on recently without success. They gave up on eBay after the fifth person bought it and then "something came up" before they were able to make payment. Other avenues contained similar levels of time wasters and it eventually just became a frustration. Museums aren't interested in it either as it's nothing particularly rare, and they're already generally up to their eyeballs in wartime era technology.
CitroJim wrote: 05 Aug 2023, 05:30 Good work on the Rover Zel, just shows how tolerant the old SU is, still running fairly reasonably with all that muck in it!

Be good to see the Renault fixed and back up and running :)

That HRO is quite a find but it's been well and truly got-at over the years. Most of the valves are not originals. B9A and B7G based valves had not even been invented when that particular HRO was built! Back in the day there was a lot of that going on in the amateur world in attempts to improve performance, especially at higher frequencies, and to find substitutes for the original valves which, even in the late 60s and 70s were becoming hard to obtain. I hope the modifications have been well executed, else restoration may be quite a challenge.

You may find it now has a product detector to aid better SSB reception. A popular modification.

Do you have the full set of coil packs? If so, and with it all working well, the old HRO is still quite sought after and can perform well within the limitations of a single superhet. Good luck with it - a nice winter project and a nice change from those vintage laptops!
I believe I've got a full set of coil packs to go with it, all of them from 00 through 7 anyway. Not really surprising to see that it's seen some modifications through its life given the age and that these things would tended to have been used by those with the knowledge and drive to keep them going. The big question with this one I imagine will be if it "ran when parked" in which case a recap will likely get it going, mods and all - or if there were deeper problems which resulted in it being shoved in the loft and forgotten about. In which case I'll probably need to do a bit of reverse engineering. At least that should be relatively simple to do compared to some of the nonsense I've been messing with lately...

There are three things which need doing (that I know of!) in the immediate future for the Renault. The head gasket is an obvious enough one and assuming that no absolute horrors are found when the head is removed should be relatively straightforward. Just keeping my fingers crossed the head hasn't gone porous or anything maddening like that. Second is a bit of welding in two spots. One is to repair some rust around an area that was damaged clearly some time ago by improper jacking, and some more on the inner wings where the seam sealer has clearly failed and trapped water. I think I've managed to find someone to do that now. Third is something which has been on the to do list since day one, and that's that it still needs a set of drop links. I'm still as unable to track down a set as I have been since day one. The issue here is that there are three different types which were used on the 25. One on the V6 (which is readily available) and some sources say the automatic, one for the lower power version of the 2.0 engine (which I have found one or two of in Germany), and one for this variant. Which appears to be completely extinct. The part I need is 7700766869. Which most websites tell you is compatible with 7700781498 - the V6 version. They're not...they're completely different. The latter part is a good 20mm longer and has the two ends pointing in totally different directions to the correct part. It doesn't help that when you try to search for part numbers for anything on Google etc now about the first 300 results are just repeats of Autodoc trading under about a thousand different names - which gets really old after about the first ten times you've clicked on results to find the same page saying no stock with a slightly different header at the top of the page. Alternatives are RTS 97-90477 or Imperium 31561. Searching for the latter of those is further frustrated as that's a valid Febi part number for something completely different so that saturates the search results. I'm sure there were probably a dozen other smaller companies who made third party parts that were compatible back in the 90s, and equally I'm sure someone somewhere still has a bunch of them sitting on a shelf somewhere. I've been digging on and off since December last year for them though without any luck. It's such a stupid, simple consumable to have turned into such a long term headache.

This is the thing I'm after.
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So the solution is most likely going to involve having to try to extract the existing bushes sufficiently intact to ascertain their correct dimensions and then obtaining new ones from here and re-stuffing the existing links. I'm just extremely thankful that they're bushed on both ends rather than having a ball joint on one or both ends as with a lot of cars as if that were the case I'd probably be well out of luck short of trying to put something together using rose joints and adjustable linkages from a racing supplier most likely.
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Rose joints may still be the best option Zel...

On the HRO, dry out the mains transformer very thoroughly before applying power. It may have absorbed moisture over the years of inactivity. A recap of the critical ones will be in order but don't go mad until you have some life out of it. I'm not a fan of mass recapping - it's a great way to introduce unintentional faults that take a lot of head-scratching to find... Replace the audio output valve grid coupler and any tone correction caps around the audio output transformer by default but all others can be left until you find the need. Get it up and working, however badly, before replacing anything willynilly. It'll soon tell you what does need to be replaced 😉
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CitroJim wrote: 05 Aug 2023, 13:43 Rose joints may still be the best option Zel...

On the HRO, dry out the mains transformer very thoroughly before applying power. It may have absorbed moisture over the years of inactivity. A recap of the critical ones will be in order but don't go mad until you have some life out of it. I'm not a fan of mass recapping - it's a great way to introduce unintentional faults that take a lot of head-scratching to find... Replace the audio output valve grid coupler and any tone correction caps around the audio output transformer by default but all others can be left until you find the need. Get it up and working, however badly, before replacing anything willynilly. It'll soon tell you what does need to be replaced 😉
Powers it up... Pop whee! "OK, that valve that is now embedded in the ceiling needs replacing. Does anybody know what it was before it launched itself out of there?"
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Fair enough about previous attempts to find it a new home, did rather forget about the shear joy of dealing with the general buying public!
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Hell Razor5543 wrote: 05 Aug 2023, 14:14 Powers it up... Pop whee! "OK, that valve that is now embedded in the ceiling needs replacing. Does anybody know what it was before it launched itself out of there?"
I have had a mains reservoir electrolytic capacitor can launch itself with enough force to put a visible dent in the ceiling once. There's a good reason not to stand over a device under test!
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Somebody I used to know worked in an electronics repair workshop with several other people. Sometimes, when it was quiet, they would play jokes on each other. One day my friend, when he had been away from his bench for a while, noticed a new guy slightly smirking. Bob, when he checked his kit, found a resistor soldered across the output terminals of a transformer. Knowing it would not cause any major issues he turned on the bench. There was a loud 'POP' as the resistor failed, taking the fuse with it. He de-soldered the remnants of the resistor, replaced the fuse, and got on with his work.

The new guy KNEW that Bob would try and get him back, so every time he came back to his bench he checked the kit before turning it on. After a fortnight he relaxed. Bob then ran a length of flexible pipe to the bench, 'primed' it with cigarette smoke (this was when you were allowed to smoke indoors), and waited. As the new guy powered up his bench Bob blew hard down the pipe, producing a nice plume of smoke. As the guy turned off the kit Bob pulled the pipe back. The new guy did not do something important, and spent the next two days trying to track down what had failed. Eventually, he gave up and powered up his kit, only for nothing nasty to happen. What did he forget to do? Take a quick sniff to see what the smoke smelt like (as this can help determine what had failed) and cigarette smoke does not smell of any failed electronic items.
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That story warrants a thread of its own James, so I will start one and maybe you can repeat it there!! :-D

The thread is here
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