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It was certainly put to the test yesterday, the strong winds had caused caos and the river Tees had burst its banks. I know weather warnings said stay away from coastal areas (difficult as my town is coastal) but the main road home from work was flooded and closed. It took me two and a half hours to get home, most of that was stuck in almost gridlocked, inching traffic. The ZX was faultless.

I agree Mark, its a good winter driver for the time being :) I'll alternate its use with the Polo.

Perhaps it has, Jim. I'm in no doubt that there are nicer ZX estates about, but its not bad. I think I have it really for the novelty of a handy estate which I don't need to care too much about what I use it for. Unlike my Xantia estate which is rarely used as an estate as I don't want it to become dog-eared :lol: In fact, that is just about in winter hibernation now too, too much salt about to justify its use.
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Hmm, I think the ZX is about ready to move on ... it has decided it prefers to go in only straight lines ...

The steering has been heavy on the ZX since I got it, I have previously changed the power steering fluid with no change. The AUX drive belt was ancient and slipping, so I changed that yesterday thinking this would be effecting the power steering. However, no change, apart from the lack of a squealing belt on start-up. Now the steering is so bad its really not safe to drive, so I have wedged it in the corner of the garden until I decide its fate.

I suspect its the steering universal joint but I don't think I will look into it.


The engine is by far the best bit of the car and I had in the back of my mind if nothing else I'd buy the car for its engine, with the potential to put it into the C15. It seems a very fit engine and with some fettling it could be perfect for the C15, upping the power from about 60bhp with the original 1.7D to 90 with the 1.9TD. When Chausson was making the C15 6 wheeler they did put 1.9TDs in one or two to test. However, at this stage they went bust so it was never finalised. However, in some ways its a shame to detract from the originality but the extra power would be nice.

We'll see, though I can't see the ZX being around for too much longer but I'm not decided about putting the engine in the C15 either.
I don't like the thought of scrapping a car, however this one is really at the end of its life :( Something I was expecting as it was only for scrap money.

I had the Activa out for a little potter the other day, just to stretch its legs a little as it has been laid up for winter. All is fine with it.

I've been using the C3 Picasso a bit recently but noticed there is a slight drag from the brakes and the rear wheels turn black as quickly as the fronts. So I decided to strip the brakes this evening and sure enough, the pads were stuck in the calipers. Full service history by Citroen and in its 3 years I suspect the dealers have never even looked at the brakes. No doubt that will improve its already brilliant fuel economy.

I also took the opportunity to swap its wheels back to front as the rears are the original Michelins, with the front Michelins having done about 8K miles. I always find Michelin tyres age the worst of any premium tyre brand, they start to develop cracks from anything over much over 2 years old. So I thought it best to move the olds ones to the front and use them up before they need to be replaced due to age - they are still fine though but are getting a bit worn. The car turned 30K miles the other day ...

I'm taking the C3 Picasso to Holmfirth tomorrow for the Northern CCC meet, which will be a nice drive out of about 210 miles round trip.
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Citroenmad wrote:Hmm, I think the ZX is about ready to move on ... it has decided it prefers to go in only straight lines ...

The steering has been heavy on the ZX since I got it, I have previously changed the power steering fluid with no change. The AUX drive belt was ancient and slipping, so I changed that yesterday thinking this would be effecting the power steering. However, no change, apart from the lack of a squealing belt on start-up. Now the steering is so bad its really not safe to drive, so I have wedged it in the corner of the garden until I decide its fate.

I suspect its the steering universal joint but I don't think I will look into it.
C15 Idea is interesting. If you decide against it let me know.

How heavy is the steering? I was the towee in a dead Transit jumbo today. Super heavy steering and brakes I to use all my weight on.[/quote]

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C15 would be lovely with a TD engine and this seems a good candidate, having the opportunity to drive the engine and gearbox for 500 miles is a real bonus. Of course the engine will need a partial strip down, head will come off and new gasket fitted and a bit of a rework to warrant putting it into the C15. Also do the water pump, belts, etc. New clutch. However, I can't fault the engine as it is.

The ZXs steering is extremely heavy and doesn't get lighter when driving, its very difficult to drive without a firm grip with two hands at all times. It was reasonable when i got it but the last few days its just got too bad. I get the sensation, especially after driving on a motorway, that the initial turn of the wheel is almost locked. Its really very bad, however has become suddenly so as it used to free off after driving, now it gets a lot worse. Its lumpy - worse from the straight ahead position and then frees and then tightens. It does point to the UJ to me, as that would explain the lumpy effect around the centre position. Its not worth driving again like this and its not worth looking into as I don't need to drive the car.

As I say, scrapping a car doesn't sit well with me and I have got to like the ZX as a car. However, this one really needs too much doing for what it is, even just to get through the next MOT. Having lived with the car for a few weeks it does have issues:

The OS sill needs welding under the B pillar, the NS sill needs welding just behind the front wheel. Full length of ths sills look a little iffy.
The windscreen is cracked beyond MOT requirements and requires replacing
The brakes have terrible vibration, pretty sure its the rear drums
Radiator is pretty rough and shows signs of weaping
Inner wings are rusty but 'reasonably' solid, chassis legs are rusty but solid - maybe another year in them. The general underside is good, as is the rear sub-frame.
Rear ns wing has rust blebs from dirt collection in the wheel arch
radius arm bearings are going, particularily the os which does creak - this alone is an awful task
etc.

The best bit is its engine and gearbox, which are very smooth and its a brilliant performer, I'm quite surprised! It rides nicely and without the heavy steering it would be lovely to drive, if for the brakes on hard deceleration - my usual spirited driving!

Bodywork is generally tidy apart from the rear wing, bumpers are good and not really scuffed, panels are straight etc. However, common sense says for what the car is, it just needs too much doing and too much spending. I'd budget a good £400-500 for its next MOT alone. It would take an awful lot to get it in a condition which makes it a ZX worth preserving, certainly not up to my usual standard. But, it is what it is and I bought it thinking it would be ...

However Mike, if the engine doesn't get used then I will let you now, though as I've described, its not really a viable prospect.

If I do use the engine and box I might well break the rest, so its parts can be used to help better examples. It doesn't seem the ZX has a following and the want for parts might not even be there. And I'm not sure if I can bring myself to break it!

We'll see :)
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I don't seem to be getting on here much at all recently, so here is another update for my blog.

I've not been doing too much car wise recently, my Xantias have had a few months off as I don't use them in the winter when I don't have to. I have given the Activa some short drives to warm it up and the HDi Xantia has had a few uses but nothing much. I'm not sure about other parts of the country but we have had quite a bit of salt down on the roads and its been pretty wet, not as much as normal but I still choose to keep the Xantias away from it where possible.

I've been using my Polo TDi mostly, which never puts a foot wrong or needs anything doing, a real hardy and dependable car. It's not really 'me', its too small and it wears a VW badge but it is a great car and very refined for what it is.

However, I've bought another car and this time it is a Citroen! Just for a change … A C4 to be precise.

I've always been tempted by them as I think they look good and I really like the interior design with the long dash, central speedo, fixed hub steering wheel, etc. They are spacious and refined for what they are. I have looked at a good few over the years and recently had my eye out for one. It had to be a diesel for the miles I cover but I'm a little dubious about the 1.6HDi for turbo issues and injector seal rings, being the main problems to watch for.

However, I got a message from Rob (Ragger on here) saying he could use a smaller car which is cheaper to insure for his daughter and that he is considering selling his C4. I'd always prefer a car from someone I know and that the car has been proven, even for a few months, rather than buy something from a used forecourt or private seller without knowing its any good. Fortunately its a 5 door as I wouldn't have another 3 door car, its in a decent spec with AC, cruise, etc and its in an agreeable, if predictable colour. It even has a towbar (oddly it's unused) which is a bonus as I need one for my bike rack.

It is a 2005 C4 5-door 1.6HDi SX in grey. It does need a couple of things doing (timing belt, etc) but it’s a lovely drive. I’ve only had it since Thursday and have only covered 600 miles but so far I’m enjoying it. It has averaged almost 60mpg over those miles, which is superb! I've checked the turbo for wear in the bearing and I'm happy the injector seals don't appear to be leaking, so far so good. It'll be my daily driver from now on, doing up to 100 miles in a typical day. so I'll see how I get on with it.

I’ve already given it a service with the correct Total ECS oil and genuine Citroen filters. The air filter on the C4 is possibly the most awkward to change of any car I have yet worked on, as it sits behind the engine under the scuttle panel and windscreen. Access is very tight and the removal of many pipes/ trims and plastic covers is needed to get to it. I bet these often get overlooked on services and the one in mine was very overdue a change.

I’ve got some new number plates on the way, the original front one there has obviously been grounded at some point. I’ll do some general tidying up, add some proper Citroen carpet mats and flaps in my usual way. It’s not immaculate by any means but it is presentable and ideal for a daily driver, which spends most of its days in car parks.

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I am loathed to sell the trusty Polo, it’s been in the family since new, it’s never been any bother and is very well kept. I suspect it will always be a handy car to have around, with its low running costs, etc. However, I now have 5 cars, which seems a little excessive, try as I might I can only drive one at once.

My ZX is still here, its now being used as a storage shed. The plan is to remove the engine and let the body go for scrap. Scrapping cars doesn't sit well with me and it’s not something I have done before but it makes no sense in putting money and effort into the ZX in its condition, which is a shame. I hope to get the engine out fairly soon so that I can free up a parking space - with 10 cars here, its fit to bursting! Interestingly it is having some kind of electrical meltdown, first the passenger window would only go down and not up via any switch. The drivers side window switch operates the central locking now too. When I moved it around yesterday the nearside indicator was stuck to on (not intermittent either) even though it wasn’t turned on. It also drains the battery if left on for any period of time. Poor thing is slowly falling to bits!

If anyone needs any bits from a ZX then please let me know, I’d rather it was used to keep better cars going/looking smart. I do need to keep it in rolling condition so I can keep it mobile while its here.

In other news, I’ve only got another 4/5 months at uni before I’ll finish my third (hmm, if only!) year and hopefully graduate. So I’m busy with dissertation work, general assignments, etc. I’ve still got my job which has seen me through uni, allowing me to gain many skills on the way and keep me ticking along and in cars …

In the mean time I’ll see how this C4 treats me, in particular the 1.6HDi engine. I'll no doubt give a full report on how I find the C4 after I have lived with it for a while.
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Citroenmad wrote:I don't seem to be getting on here much at all recently, so here is another update for my blog.

I've not been doing too much car wise recently, my Xantias have had a few months off as I don't use them in the winter when I don't have to. I have given the Activa some short drives to warm it up and the HDi Xantia has had a few uses but nothing much. I'm not sure about other parts of the country but we have had quite a bit of salt down on the roads and its been pretty wet
Don't think I've seen a gritter this year! "Pretty wet" however doesn't come close to what it's been like down here.

C4 looks lovely, I hope it serves you well.
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I have seen a few gritters, but then (barring the recent time off) I have been as far afield as Eastbourne, Ringwood, Berkhampstead and Reading. Usually when the temperature sensor indicated under 4 degrees.
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Snap on the ZX TD Aura estate, I bought a white one recently which I've passed onto my BIL, an absolute brilliant car for the money with 77k genuine miles lovely smooth ride, highly recommended and very much underrated cars ZX's.

I trust nothing serious wrong with the Xantia HDi?
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Ive enjoyed the Zx, a great car.
DickieG wrote: I trust nothing serious wrong with the Xantia HDi?
The HDi is brilliant, no problems to report. It'll be in regular service within a month or two. I keep it taxed and tested but use it sparingly through the winter.

I may well use the Xantia HDi for holidaying in France in July, stopping off at Le Man's for RetroCitro.
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Did you change the fuel filter whilst you were in the air filter??? If not then I won't tell you that need to take the lid off the air filter to do it, and that if it's not changed regularly it causes limp mode.... Before you do anything, unless you know it has been done, remove the filter in the turbo oil feed pipe - it can very quickly go from OK to knackered. Timing belt only due at 150k / 10 years, although they do seem to go noisy before that. Nice car though!
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Thanks for the advice Richard, fortunately the fuel filter has been replaced around a month ago, so I know that is ok.

Removing the filter in the turbo feed pipe is one of my next jobs to do with it. I was going to run it with this fresh oil in for 1,000 miles or so and then change it again and remove the filter in the pipe. Though I understand the top of the exhaust manifold has to be removed to get to it.

Timing belt is clostest to change interval by year, as its 9 years old, though its putting me on edge a little! I usually change at the most 70K - 80K on HDis, so I'll get it done reasonably soon for peace of mind.
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Fuel filter - nice one: a) it's a PITA to change and b) it's only available as a complete unit and costs about £30 - or £54 if you buy it from Citroen :shock:

Turbo filter - Yes, you will need to remove the CAT (and DPF) if it has one? I think the can is the same size for either unit. It's not too hard, but if it's got a DPF then you need to be prepared to remove the radiator as well (if it's CAT only you might get away with it, as no DPF pipes to undo (the top one is awkward to say the least with the rad in), and there might be enough room to manipulate the heatshield out, just depends on the location of the turbo actuator): jack up, remove the undertray, and clamp from the DPF to exhaust (get yourself some of the proper pliers!), and unscrew the bottom DPF sensing pipe underneath. Remove the rad. Remove the pipe from the turbo to the air doser valve unit. Remove the air doser unit (I thought this just popped off, but when it came loose I had broken the remaining mount - there is a screw at the front between the intercooler hoses, and there might be one at the back somewhere to free it). Undo the the pipe clamp between the DPF sensing pipes, and then the top sensing pipe on the DPF. Remove the 3 Torx arcoss the top, and 2 down each side, of the heat shield (one awkward one next to the alternator), and lift the front heat shield out. Remove the top heat shield. Undo the top exhauast clamp, and two nuts that hold the DPF in place, then DPF can be dropped out of the bottom. I had trouble with the top clamp - it just wouldn't let go, I ended up swinging the DPF back and forwards whilst knocking it with a hammer to get it to release!. You will now be able to get to the oil feed pipe (10mm allen head). Dig the filter out with a small screwdriver. Refit :rofl2: There's a bleed screw on the front of the stat housing, accessible when you've removed the air inlet pipe, and another on the heater inlet (just accessible through the hole the air pipe has left. I found little air at the front one, and none on the heater. Not sure about the C4, but on the Picasso the tank is quite high, so I just filled it, put the lid back on, refitted the rad vent pipe to the tank, then blew down the vent pipe to bleed the rad out. Same again with my finger over the top vent on the rad to bleed the stat housing.

About an hour each way, once you have committed to having the rad out!
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Another thought, Chris.... if you do find the turbo filter has crud in it, then I would consider dropping the sump and cleaning (or replacing, it's only £15) the oil pick up. It too has a strainer in the end of it, and ours was showing signs of blockage, so I replaced it as part of the turbo replacement. Sump off is easy enough - you can do it without removing the piece of exhaust under the engine, and there are 2 studs which have fixed washers on the back that act as pullers (although you need a small 'E' socket to drive them). The hardest bit is cleaning off the old silicone sealant before replacing! I would strongly suggest getting some remover from the local DIY shed to assist - scraping it off was an annoying trial!
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Thanks you for all of that info Richard, very useful.

Fortunately my C4 HDi doesn't have a DPF as its only the 90bhp one, so I'm very pleased about that. It'll also make removing the turbo oil pipe filter much easier, by the sounds of it.

I'll look back at your post when I come to remove it, it sounds reasonably simple, we'll see! :lol:

I've read a lot about the 1.6HDi (surprised I still bought one!) and have picked up that it is good practice to remove/clean the oil strainer filter. I'll see what the turbo feed pipe filter looks like first and go from there.

The engine is a lot quieter with the fresh oil, no doubt helped by being the correct spec (Total ECS) which is the only thing I ever put in HDis.

I'm going to get the timing belt done soon and it seems to need the engine mounting replacing on the belt side too, it has noticeable movement.

While checking the lights over the rear fog light wasn't working and a new bulb didn't solve that. The bulb holder is clean too. However, the wire has a small nick where it had been nipped between the towbar, allowing in moisture. I cut the wire off to find it all very green and un-wire like. The multimeter revealed that the earth was terrible and power not great. So I had no choice but to rewire the foglight from before the damaged wire, in the boot.

At this time I also found the reversing light to be intermittent, again caused byt iffy wiring. So I have replaced the wiring to that too. Now both fog and reverse lights are working faultlessly.

New number plates on now too.

So far its going great, 1000 miles covered in two weeks and all at just a shade under 60mpg.
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That all sounds good Chris. It's still possible that I will have another c4, I would like to find the hens teeth of c4's a 2.0 hdi with the proper auto. After the little scare with the c2 I don't think I could live with a 1.6hdi with the egs. Two potential trouble spots on 1 car! Time shall tell.
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