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306 rear seat belt

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if your 306 hatch back fails its MOT on rear seat belts not returning, it might not just be a replacement required,

as i discoverd two days ago on my freinds daughters R reg 306,

got it back to my workshop after it failed, striped out the N/S rear piller trim to find the seat belt real dangling in mid air, first thought on seeing the real flotting about was maybe the fixing bolt had come out,

yes the bolt had come away but with a good half of the inner wing/rear quarter,

its just disolved, i have never seen a 306 disolve like this, usualy find they dont rust very much, or at least most of the ones i have worked on,

i do have some picys but i always have probs attatching them on here, they were tacken at 5mp's,

regards malcolm
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Dear gawd Malcolm!!!

That is amazing. I wonder if it hadf been in a shunt?

email me the pictures and I'll resize them and host them for you. Sounds like a must-see...
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Yes I'd like to see the pics too, that does sound really strange, they don't tend to rot (if its all original) much at all really as you know...

I wonder if its a replacement panel (possibly fitted early in its life) , that would be my initial thought anyway...
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ok Sir Jim
email sent, thank you very much ass grassy ass

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Slightly worrying that it didn't fail on structural rot :shock: just goes to show the MOT is not infallible!
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Here's the pictures. Posted on behalf of Malcolm...

This is shocking.

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:shock: :-k
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RichardW wrote
"Slightly worrying that it didn't fail on structural rot Shocked just goes to show the MOT is not infallible!"

trouble is it could not be seen with all the interior trim in place,
and whilst up on the MOT ramp the wheel was blocking the view to the top half of the inner wing,

it was only that the seat belt was pulled all the way out and would not retrackt that it failed the MOT,

besides they can only fail rot/rust within 30cm's of prescribed areas,

the MOT station i use are very thourgh but genuine, i have been useing them for about 30 years, and they are very consistant,

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Post by Sid_the_Squid »

Wow thats some scarily large rust patch :shock: I would not have though the car old enough to have rusted that much.
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the car is an R reg and all the seams and joint look original, and dose not look like there has been any kind of crash repair dont at all

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Bloody hell thats a big hole! Absolutely frightening! :shock:
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Post by Dommo »

I sh*t you not I've had a similar problem. Smaller hole but a hole all the same.

The problem is that they didnt fit full length wheel arch liners and the seat belt bolt (I think) pokes out into the wheel arch, so any water, and salty water, causes it to rot. Worryingly my activa doesnt have full length liners either but I've checked for rot and there's not a sausage.

I've noticed quite a few 306's have an earth issue where the nearside rear tail-lights dim when the left indicator is turned on, guess where there's an earth, just up from that big rust hole! I have wondered if that was the cause.

The offside is generally alright as the fuel filler neck protects the top of the wheelarch from stone chips and the like.

Just think of how many 306's you've seen with families and kids in the back..!

Edit - There has been a few of these on pug306.net too. It's certainly NOT a one off unfortunatly. Mine is S reg '99 phase 2, the ones that seem to go are around the 97-99 era but I've not had a look at any phase 3's (99-01) so they could be the same too!
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Post by Dommo »

For anyone interested I went to a scrapyard today to get some things, and while I was there I pulled off the trim on a phase 1 5 door 306, more rot, no where near as bad as the one in this topic but a screwdriver made short work of the metal around the seatbelt!

Excuse the poor photo quality:

Here you can see the holes around the seatbelt mount, didn't take much effort to make the hole that big
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And here's the view looking up at the wheel arch! As you can see, no wheel arch liner = bad (in a 306)!
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That's a good find Dom, an proves it's not an uncommon incident. Was the car scrapped for that reason or something else?

Worth checking any 306 now I reckon...
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Post by Dommo »

I doubt it jim. It's just a crappy low spec small petrol engined phase 1 306. I had to remove the trim myself to see the rust just out of interest, while I was there swiping a wiper motor and linkages. You wouldn't have seen the rust either unless I poked it through.


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