replaceing DMF with solid flywheel

[citronut]

what is the cost of replaceing the DMF on a 2005 307 1.6 HDI for a solid flywheel,

and were are they avalible from

regards malcolm

[Lighty]

Not sure you can do this on a 1.6 Malc, dont think they are avaliable.
Have seen lots of bad reports in various trade mags about crankshaft failure. LUK claim an increase of 22% fuel consumption , not sure how they arrive at these figures.

[Citroenmad]

I don't think there is a solid flywheel kit available for the 1.6, there might well be if you look hard enough, ive not.

Our 2.0 110 HDi has had a solid flywheel conversion. Its original DMF failed at 60K miles, its now approaching 140K miles. 80K on a solid flywheel and conventional clutch kit, with no problems at all.

If there is a solid alternative for the 1.6HDi then I suspect it would be much cheaper than the DMF and clutch kit. ABout £250 for the DMF and a further £100 - £150 (depending on quality) for the clutch kit.

[Oldpug]

I agree with above,fit an O/E quality DMF.I`m old school, was all anti DMF and thinking of solid kits until I saw reports.These modern diesels are designed around a DMF for balance etc,(alot of science stuff.) Think about it as a "spring" and it "gives",if its solid nothing gives.I`ve heard of various models (not Peugeot`s) braking cranks or bell housings after fitting solid kits.Yes they are unreliable and expensive but that`s modern cars for you,bring back real cars.We have an old XU diesel,18yrs old,175000mls still going strong and just had its first clutch !!

[citronut]

speeking to one of the guys at my local GSF this morning, he says they have had customers with problems getting a new clutch to mate up to the solid flywheel conversion, when they need to replace a new clutch next time round after the conversion,
so they have had to buy a full conversion kit a second time,

regards malcolm

[Citroenmad]

I agree with above,fit an O/E quality DMF.I`m old school, was all anti DMF and thinking of solid kits until I saw reports.These modern diesels are designed around a DMF for balance etc,(alot of science stuff.) Think about it as a "spring" and it "gives",if its solid nothing gives.I`ve heard of various models (not Peugeot`s) braking cranks or bell housings after fitting solid kits.Yes they are unreliable and expensive but that`s modern cars for you,bring back real cars.We have an old XU diesel,18yrs old,175000mls still going strong and just had its first clutch !!

Things ive heard too, however as our 2.0HDi 110 C5 is an engine previously used without a DMF in the Xantia, 406 and others, its probably not a risk to this engine.

Ive just had to replace a DMF and clutch kit at 30K, what a load of naff rubbish they are!! The design does really need improving on. A friend has just had their DMF replaced under warranty in their 35K mile Audi A4. My clutch plate and the one from the Audi was not worn, its not as if the clutch had been abused.

speeking to one of the guys at my local GSF this morning, he says they have had customers with problems getting a new clutch to mate up to the solid flywheel conversion, when they need to replace a new clutch next time round after the conversion,
so they have had to buy a full conversion kit a second time,

regards malcolm

I had thought about this, im not sure if the one in the 2.0HDI 110 conversion kit will just be a Xantia HDI clutch or something specific.

[wheeler]

Last year I was in a ford dealer parts department & there was a guy at the counter looking for a new clutch & flywheel for his transit, the parts bloke offered him the choice of an original kit or a solid conversion, they guy went for the conversion & it was a genuine ford part.

[DickieG]

speeking to one of the guys at my local GSF this morning, he says they have had customers with problems getting a new clutch to mate up to the solid flywheel conversion, when they need to replace a new clutch next time round after the conversion,
so they have had to buy a full conversion kit a second time,

IIRC that problem occurs when spurious (pattern) parts are used, stick to an original manufacturer product and they are compatible, much like body panels, buy a cheap wing then spend two days trying to get it to fit correctly!

[Citroenmad]

Last year I was in a ford dealer parts department & there was a guy at the counter looking for a new clutch & flywheel for his transit, the parts bloke offered him the choice of an original kit or a solid conversion, they guy went for the conversion & it was a genuine ford part.

Apparently Transits have awful problems with their DMFs, ive heard a lot of reports that when the DMF fails it twists round and covers the retaining bolts, the DMF then has to be cut off.

Our C5 8v HDi with the solid flywheel has a Valeo clutch kit.

[CitroJim]

Our C5 8v HDi with the solid flywheel has a Valeo clutch kit.

I initially read that as it having a Velcro clutch Must go to specsavers...

[citronut]

I initially read that as it having a Velcro clutch Must go to specsavers...

probably work better and for longer than the crap they have fitted w hen they leave the factory

regards malcolm

[Citroenmad]

Our C5 8v HDi with the solid flywheel has a Valeo clutch kit.

I initially read that as it having a Velcro clutch Must go to specsavers...

I would imagine so Malcolm

[dieselnutjob]

Our 806 has chewed two DMFs with the second LuK one hardly lasting 30,000 miles. The original one tried to gnaw through the gearbox casing but luckily I removed it before it did.

It now has a Valeo four part solid flywheel and I have noticed no difference at all except a very slightly harsher engine note when accelerating hard. I drive the 806 hard and tow a caravan with it. If something was going to break I would have broken it.

The fuel economy seems totally unaffected.

[Peter.N.]

I'm told that when the DMF is failing it gives a tell tale 'squeak' when you let the clutch in - my 406 has been doing that ever since I had it and it hasn't got any worse in 12,000 miles, the pedal is high as well, but it shows no sign of failing.

Peter

[Citroenmad]

I'm told that when the DMF is failing it gives a tell tale 'squeak' when you let the clutch in - my 406 has been doing that ever since I had it and it hasn't got any worse in 12,000 miles, the pedal is high as well, but it shows no sign of failing.

Peter

Mine didn't squeak, or not to my knowledge.

Do all 406 HDis have a DMF Peter?