Xantia V6 broken exhaust (update: and rough low rpm running)

[CitroJim]

Can you describe where this return banjo is and what it looks like so I can check it for leaks ? I hope its not low on oil, I really should have checked it weeks ago but I wasn't sure whether I was chasing an engine problem or gearbox or both at the time...

One picture is worth a thousand words Simon,

Here's a typical leaky one:



The leaks are caused by corrosion to the aluminium washers each side of the banjo bolt. A bad leak here can drain the 'box in 150 miles as the pipe is the main oil feed from the cooler...

If you find you do have a leak there, let me know as I have quite a stock of washers...

[Mandrake]

Thanks Jim,

That's very helpful. I won't be able to check it today as its been p***ing down, but will check it as soon as I can. Will also check the oil level as soon as I can in case it is low, and keep the driving to a minimum until I have.

[CitroJim]

Simon, a source of LT71141: Opie Oils

[Mandrake]

Simon, a source of LT71141: Opie Oils

Jim you're a star Do you think I need 6 litres or will 5 be enough for one change with a bit left over ? (I'm watching the ££ until I'm paid )

[CitroJim]

5 should be enough Simon but I'd tend to play safe and get 6... But then even if five only brings it to the minimum then you'll be OK... It's better to err on the minimum side rather than the maximum I find.

You may also find, if you ring him up, you might get some discount. I have a feeling in the back of my mind that he was offering clubs and forums a bit of a discount at one time. Always worth a go

EDIT: Do compare him with the price of the stuff from your local dealer, Citroen or Pug.

[myglaren]

5 should be enough Simon but I'd tend to play safe and get 6... But then even if five only brings it to the minimum then you'll be OK... It's better to err on the minimum side rather than the maximum I find.

You may also find, if you ring him up, you might get some discount. I have a feeling in the back of my mind that he was offering clubs and forums a bit of a discount at one time. Always worth a go

EDIT: Do compare him with the price of the stuff from your local dealer, Citroen or Pug.

Wasn't/isn't it oilman of this parish?

[CitroJim]

Wasn't/isn't it oilman of this parish?

I believe it may well be Steve, now you come to speak of it...

[Mandrake]

5 should be enough Simon but I'd tend to play safe and get 6... But then even if five only brings it to the minimum then you'll be OK... It's better to err on the minimum side rather than the maximum I find.

You may also find, if you ring him up, you might get some discount. I have a feeling in the back of my mind that he was offering clubs and forums a bit of a discount at one time. Always worth a go

EDIT: Do compare him with the price of the stuff from your local dealer, Citroen or Pug.

Too late, I've already ordered 6 litres from Opie My days off this week are Thursday/Friday so I'm hoping it will arrive by then. (I chose priority delivery as its only £3 more)

Now to find a funnel, strainer, pipe, and something to catch the old oil...

[RichardW]

I certainly didn't notice it being wet with oil underneath yesterday Simon - that banjo should be easy to check though just by looking under the wheel arch.

Plenty of oil catching facilities here if you need to make use...

[Mandrake]

Thanks Richard,

I should be ok doing the oil change, also now that I think the groan is indeed the gearbox I'm quite concerned about unnecessary long distance driving until I've done at least one change. It was doing quite a bit of groaning and complaining on the way home on Saturday, it seems to get worse on long trips (oil thinning with temperature perhaps ?) and every groan could potentially be damaging the clutches/brakes, so I don't want to push my luck.

All going well I'll get it done on Thursday.

You're right, I don't think there are any significant oil leaks, engine, gearbox or hydraulic for that matter. The engine oil and hydraulic oil has never needed topping up and there are never any oil spots in my park... thats not to say that there couldn't be a very slow drip from the gearbox that occurs only at high temperature while driving of course...

When I do the change I'll check the level first and also check the banjo for signs of leaking, if I see any sign of a leak I'll get replacement washers and replace them when I do a second change in a few weeks. (I assume that it's best to change the washers while the oil is drained to avoid losing half the oil on the ground )

[CitroJim]

I assume that it's best to change the washers while the oil is drained to avoid losing half the oil on the ground

Nope. Unless you do it with the engine running Simon, you'll loose hardly a drop

[Mandrake]

I assume that it's best to change the washers while the oil is drained to avoid losing half the oil on the ground

Nope. Unless you do it with the engine running Simon, you'll loose hardly a drop

Ok, I must remember to do the washers with the engine turned off then

[lexi]

What does Lexia say about AT oil tenps?

[Mandrake]

The Lexia can show gearbox oil temperature, the maximum I've seen is 100 degrees during spirited country road driving, which seems to be in line with expected temperatures according to the 4HP20 training manual...

[Mandrake]

Well it looks like 6 litres of yellow cats pee, err I mean LT71141 has arrived. Actually it doesn't smell of much at all which just goes to show how poor my sense of smell is... Ordered late on Sunday night from Opie Oils, sitting on my door step tonight, can't complain about that!

All going well I'll get it changed on Thursday and cross my fingers like crazy that it either fixes the groaning or makes a major improvement...