new to me 207 with problems!

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nikeastwood
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new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

I have already opened a couple of topics on this car but here are the details to date


towards the start of august 2021 I bought a 207 GT 1.6hdi, my other half has a 308 sport with same engine, I was quite impressed by it and especially that it drove almost like a petrol with no noticable lag

my current car is a fiat grande punto 1.3 multijet, the lag on that is horrendous! the turbo is too big for the engine, while its superb on fuel there seems to be something wrong with it weekly.

anyway, I looked at a few 207s, couldnt really afford much so I bought this one for "quite cheap", it had faults...

dpf was blocked
maf was broken, and disconned
plastic turbo boost pipe was broken at joint to turbo
oil leaks a plenty
many fault codes


I did the deal and drove it 40 miles home after going on a train and two taxi's to pick it up at a later date than the viewing!, it could only get to 40mpg on a steady 60mph on motorway, very poor, my other halfs 308 will easily do 53ish to around 56.


I have put in a new DPF instead of trying to revive the old one [as well as new diff pressure sensor, and checked the lines were not blocked], somebody had drilled a hole though it about 10mm - pointless that size!, also they had removed the cat from inside the cat pipe, I cant do much about that other than leave it as is, second hand cats are unobtainable as they are cashed in at the scrap man. I cant afford a brand new one.

I replaced the turbo pipe

I replaced the maf

Replaced top cover/pcv valve assembly, the turbo pipe, inlet pipe, all had new O rings, oil leaks have stopped now and unusually the top of the engine is dry!

replaced all filters, the date on the diesel filter was 2012, these are fast moving stock so chances are, thats how old it actually was and perhaps the last time it was changed, amazing.

air filter was more or less blocked up, as was the pollen filter.

last owner just used car for college about 2 or 3 miles away, for last 3 year, with the broken parts is no wonder the dpf was choked up, etc.

I have done a couple of days on temp insurance since I replaced many parts and given it a run and fuel mpg is still low, cant really get it better than 47mpg. one of the back brakes is binding, so that wont help, it doesnt like to pull over 3000rpm but is great under that, I have put a chinese turbo on it that I was given for free, I might switch back to my old one though, just to rule it out as the actuator/vnt control rod looks totally different in the way it is adjusted/set compared to the garrett, the garrett had no play in the bearings.

due to the diesel filter age, I have just brought it back from a pug specialist who has replaced the timing belt water pump etc etc, new coolant etc, if the last owner[s] skimped on a diesel filter then no chance for cam belt, and I cant afford another engine!

oil leaks have stopped and no spotting where I last left it after a run last week.


now its been out on a run a couple of times I have an egr fault, I took the top part off [motor part] last week and although it springs back its sticky, the metal valve mechanism was also stuck but is now free and loose to move easy, I have bought a new egr valve mainly to see how it works but also I might fit the whole thing, but first I am going to fit the motor part after testing on the car with diagbox/pp to make sure it works.


I have a fault remaining that the fuel filler cap sensor is open circuit, it might be unplugged underneath the car [I found some unplugged wires in the boot, an engine bay fuse was missing "diesel heater", the additive pump works I have heard it run while playing with diagbox, no idea on additive whether there is any left.


so the outside of the car has been looked after, so has the inside. the ac works, there was a sticker in the back window for pug207oc [owners club?] but last owners have had no idea about the engine or how to look after it, I am slowly bringing it back to life! engine is quiet and doesnt chuck any smoke out.

I am about to look at the rear brakes as they are binding, certainly the right side is. Might be handbrake mech, might be the sliders needs freeing or greasing. but binding brakes wont be helping mpg will it.

so thats everyone up to speed on my new to me car, I am still running my GP so theres no rush to get the pug spot on right this minute!
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

the rear pads on right side [drivers side uk] are quite thin about 3mm each, I have got the caliper away from the carrier but I cannot turn the piston in its bore as I was going to wind it in a turn to see if that would free it off slightly

I dont have a proper tool but dont mind buying one - ebay?

the pads will need replacing anyway but to do that I will need to wind the pistons in, it doesnt want to turn!

in the pic, I have my pointy pliers in the piston
2021-09-06 17.05.10.jpg
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by Colin2206 »

I had a similar problem with my wife's 207cc. 1.6, petrol.
The rear brakes did not function, locked in position. As the car had not been used for a year, maybe not a surprise. I eventually stripped down and re-assembled, using the existing seals. They work ok after that. There are rebuild kits on EBay.
To push the pistons back in you need a "special" tool, but they are cheap on EBay. Some people can wind them back with a screw driver/chisel but I have found you need the special tool if they have not been moved for some time. Also they are handed; i.e. clockwise for one side, anti-clockwise for the other (after half a bottle of Pinot Grigrot don't ask me which!). You need to crack open the bleed nipple. Also you may have to replace the dust seal as it may have aged and cracked.
I found I had to take the callipers off the car to do this; greased them heavily and put them back and then all ok.
Bleed the rear brakes after this.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

I have bought new pads, and a left and right wind back tool, so nothing will be getting done anytime soon until they all arrive.

I think I will take that caliper off the car and work on it easier at the bench vice. Is it easy to unhook the handbrake cable from the caliper?

am hoping the left side will be easier as that nice and free and the pads arent binding, but if that pses any problems then I will take that to the vice too.
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by KiJimbo »

I've recently bought a 207 1.6hdi, but with less issues than yours. Hopefully you got a good price for it. Look forward to seeing your progress, as I really enjoy it when you can resurrect a perfectly good car after it has been neglected!
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

KiJimbo wrote: 08 Sep 2021, 11:17 I've recently bought a 207 1.6hdi, but with less issues than yours. Hopefully you got a good price for it. Look forward to seeing your progress, as I really enjoy it when you can resurrect a perfectly good car after it has been neglected!
thanks, car has potential, I will update this thread with a few bits and bobs, some bigger things might [and have] get a topic of their own.

back of car is currently on axle stands, I am waiting for tools to arrive, a brake pipe clamp [So I can remove a caliper] and a piston wind back tool. Also waiting for rear pads but I need them last!

yesterday I replaced the top half of the EGR, thats another code cleared [for now!...] and there is flow through it to metal pipe to the inlet manifold. I still have a slight blow to the joint of the turbo to cat pipe. I will sort that once my rear brakes are done.
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

wind back tool arrived, caliper off and on the bench vice where its easier to work on and can get decent leverage if needed

sadly, this piston is not one for moving! have tried it both ways [this is the right side caliper, uk driver side] and I have tried stilsons on the piston itself.

so, yet another part I will have to buy! I may as well buy a pair just in case the other side doesnt want to move.
2021-09-09 15.58.28.jpg
2021-09-09 16.01.04.jpg
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by Hell Razor5543 »

Try looking for something called "Plus Gas" (you should find it at most motor factors). I have been using it for a while, and (given time and a few applications) it has freed off stuck items well. This is what you are looking for;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202951224018 ... Sw1LdegkR6

If you WERE to use it, I would give the calliper a thorough cleaning afterwards, juts in case.
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nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

I have some PG, I have filled the piston up with it from the brake pipe hole

have tried hammerage, heatage [not much], its not worth wasting my time over, I think piston has been at full extent for ages with no pad material [well, about 2mm], I will just buy a pair of good used locally or via ebay.
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

the plusgas didnt do anything, it was still rock solid this afternoon

I have bought a brand new pair of calipers, should be here monday, the rear disc on the side that was sticky is a little rusty, I will clean most of it up with a flap disc on a grinder, the other side [good side] is ok as it was actually working.

once this car is on the road, I will be replacing the front discs and pads as well.
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

got left side caliper off today, the piston on that was free to move, it will keep in the shed as a spare - other halfs 308 probably uses same caliper.

on both sides, I have removed the slide pins, cleaned and rubber greased them and refitted, also popped the new pads in place ready to fit the new calipers monday.
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

new calipers now on and all good, bleeding the right side [uk driver side] was a pain, but I got there in the end

although I slackened the handbrake cable a bit at the lever end before taking old calipers off, with the new ones its only about 2 or 3 clicks so wont need any more adjustment, just right
2021-09-13 15.02.41.jpg
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
nikeastwood
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Re: new to me 207 with problems!

Post by nikeastwood »

put the original turbo back on yesterday

today I took out more temp insurance, with the plan to take it for a 30 mile drive up the motorway to see how it went

HAPPY

I ended up going to north wales, and have just got back from a 200 mile test!! its going that well I just kept on driving!, and my fuel consumption according the trip computer is now 65mpg on the motorway, dropping down to 60mpg after some slower and twistier roads on the way back.

that'll do for me!
no egr, no dpf, no problems.
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