My dad’s car, Gwin, (1.1l, 1994) has lost cranking completely and suddenly. Starts easily with a bump start. Battery fine. Thinking starter solenoid or ignition switch? Does the steering wheel have to come off to get cowling off for access to the ignition switch?
Thanks
Ax non-starter
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Ax non-starter
Fred, a silver 1998 1.9TD SX Xantia.
Gwin, a white 1994 1.1 AX.
Gwin, a white 1994 1.1 AX.
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Re: Ax non-starter
Before going there check you've got a live and an ignition switched live to the solenoid. You can also short the solenoid or run a temp feed. Make sure it's neutral, don't want to run yourself over. Check the battery to engine earth as well.
Pete
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Re: Ax non-starter
Hi Jaf,
Before removing the steering wheel or IGN swutch (not an easy job), make an electrical check to see
(a) is power reaching the starter motor solenoid (the small terminal on the starter motor) ?
(b) can the starter motor be made to operate by making a direct connection from this small terminal to Batt+ ?
This should point to where the fault is, and whether the starter motor and its attached solenoid are working or not.
Someone here might be able to post a (starting) circuit diagram for the car. Post the car's VIN so we get the right diagram.
Before removing the steering wheel or IGN swutch (not an easy job), make an electrical check to see
(a) is power reaching the starter motor solenoid (the small terminal on the starter motor) ?
(b) can the starter motor be made to operate by making a direct connection from this small terminal to Batt+ ?
This should point to where the fault is, and whether the starter motor and its attached solenoid are working or not.
Someone here might be able to post a (starting) circuit diagram for the car. Post the car's VIN so we get the right diagram.
Chris
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Right ok will check starter first. Tomorrow when it’s light. Will be novel to work on a car with room in the engine bay!
Dad’s just been taking a hammer to the steering wheel nut...
Dad’s just been taking a hammer to the steering wheel nut...
Fred, a silver 1998 1.9TD SX Xantia.
Gwin, a white 1994 1.1 AX.
Gwin, a white 1994 1.1 AX.
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AND a 1980 Z1000ST
AND a 1983 GPz1100 inj
AND a 1995 Zephyr 1100
AND a 1980 Z650 (my moped) - x 315
Re: Ax non-starter
Good job it hasn't got airbags then! Do all other electrics work, dash lights, headlights etc.?
Pete
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Re: Ax non-starter
Give the starter a good clonk with a hammer handle before you do anything - sticking brushes or solenoid can cause just this sort of odd failure.
Richard W
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It’s the ignition switch...wiggle the keys a few times and she starts.
Dad can’t get the steering wheel off though. He’s left it with slightly dicky switch for now.
Thanks everyone.
Dad can’t get the steering wheel off though. He’s left it with slightly dicky switch for now.
Thanks everyone.
Fred, a silver 1998 1.9TD SX Xantia.
Gwin, a white 1994 1.1 AX.
Gwin, a white 1994 1.1 AX.
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1992 BX19D Millesime hatch LHD
previously 1989 BX19RD, 1998 ZX 1.9D auto, 2001 Xantia 1.8i auto
and lots of Rovers before that: 1935 Ten, 1947 Sixteen, 1960 P5 3-litre, 1966 P6 2000, 1972 P6 2000TC, and 1975 P6B 3500S - x 1752
Re: Ax non-starter
If the IGN switch proves impossible to remove (some are very difficult), one modification alternative is to allow the IGN switch to turn the IGN on (as normal), but to fit a 'push-to-start' button somewhere convenient on the dash. This would simply route batt+ to the small terminal on the starter motor. You could also add a 30/40A relay to take the load off the switch.
A couple of nice-looking engine start switches on Amazon.es ...
A couple of nice-looking engine start switches on Amazon.es ...
Chris