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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog (Xantia, 107 and "others")

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Gosh, that's amazing Zel :shock:

How old is the 107? Seems the rad has lasted no time at all or might it be another victim of the A34?

Maybe just a trick of the light but one of the aircon hoses appears to be cut/damaged in the picture... Could the aircon be another victim of the A34?

Sadly, I expect you'll find the condenser made of aluminium and therefore not brazable :(

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog (Xantia, 107 and "others")

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Zel if you send me the last 8 digits of your chassis/VIN No. i will get the exploded drawing of the front bumper section from Pug service box,

i would'v sent you the link to Pug service box but its down at the mo

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I didn't think you could braze aluminium, but couldn't remember for certain so punched the query into Google. Given that the result was a page full of how-tos, I assumed it must be possible and never gave it any further thought.

To be honest, a lot of the fins are evaporating when so much as looked at, so it's likely to be time for a replacement unfortunately. Not really great after only seven years.

Jim, seven years and 40 ish K miles. I don't think the incident on the A34 was to blame for this as the car had started to use a little bit of coolant before that happened, I just hadn't been able to locate the source of the loss. Still wouldn't be able to find it if I hadn't had the bumper off as there was nothing visible from outside, and you'll know yourself how much of the radiator you can actually see from the engine bay (granted, I do have somewhat more in the way of pipework in the way due to the A/C.

Last eight digits of the VIN are 88345524.

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On the condenser Zel, you may get away with 'brazing' using the alloy filler rods you can get for 'welding' aluminium although aluminium is such tricky stuff the results may not be long-lasting...

Yep, I have to say 7 years for a PSA rad is not bad going really given the crappy plastic end tanks....

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what i found cause the A/C condenser to dissolve on my ( admittedly a lot older ) R reg XANT, was a build up of leaves between the coolant rad and A/C condenser,

i also think it would be near impossible to ally weld an A/C condenser as the metal is so thin to start with,

Zel here is a link to the bumper drawing for your car for the chassis/VIN No.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ez4eespftmni ... 38.png?dl=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

if i havent already sent you your cars birth certificate let me know and i will sort it

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Excellent, that shows me exactly what bits I need to get to put an end to the car looking like it's been punched in the face.

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here is the bottom half of the part No. list my screen shot missed

72
6822 34
08
THREADED FLANGE BOLT

73
6822 92
13
HEX HEAD SCREW+CAPTIVE WASHER

75
6822 W5
02
FIXING CLIP

76
6822 N3
01
FIXING CLIP

77
6822 L8
02
FIXING CLIP

78
6822 J5
02
FIXING CLIP

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Recieved!

Will dig the twin headlights back out the garage shortly too (I know where the box is now!) and see if I can find part numbers for the units in them, as if I'm taking it apart again it would be nice to get those back in too.

...will be sorting the wiring first though, the job the dealer did of installing the extra wiring for the extra lights is absolutely shocking.

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part No.'s for the head lamps your car left the factory wearing

6208 75
HEADLIGHT ASSEMBLY
LEFT

6206 75
RIGHT

and price and part No.

Reference Description Quantity Price - VAT Price + VAT Total + VAT Selection
0000620675 HEADLIGHT ASSY 108.45 GBP 130.14 GBP 130.14 GBP

0000620875 HEADLIGHT ASSY 108.45 GBP 130.14 GBP 130.14 GBP

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The headache I think is that the car didn't leave the factory with them - they were a dealer fit accessory. This is the whole headlight assembly.

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The unit as a whole is fine, it's just the larger dip/main beam unit that needs to be changed as the lens is cracked. However it appears that the size isn't a particularly common one for anything aside from motorcycles. Should have measured it while I had it out but forgot, from memory it's 5 1/2" diameter.

Annoyingly, nothing has any part number on it, the only number anywhere is stamped on the lens, which I assume is the Hella part number (992.981.01) which I have punched into Google without any success.

They weren't cheap when new, so I would really like to get them back on the car again. They do a far better job of lighting the road too (especially on main beam as you'd expect).

I've seen similar units on 106s and 206s in the past, but have never had the opportunity to measure them to see if they are the same size.

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it does not show under pug 107 any lighting accessory,

here is all they list under accessory

Part number Description
16063964 80 STICKERFIX
16076729 80 PORTABLE FRAGRANCE DIFFUSER
16101516 80 PEUGEOT STICKERFIX DISPLAY
16102204 80 SEAT BELT CUTTER - WINDOW BREAKER
16107471 80 READING LIGHT

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog (Xantia, 107 and "others")

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Remember all those accessories, these were in a separate brochure which included things like the mesh grill, a carbon fibre (I suspect fake!) Insert for the rear bumper, and the lights I have here among other stuff I can't remember. Still have the brochure, will scan it tomorrow if I get a chance.

They came from Peugeot directly (made for them by Morette) so must be on a list somewhere...just goodness knows where. The whole kit if my scribbles are correct from when I was ordering the car is VAL291. I don't want to spend three hundred odd quid though for the whole lot though!

I have pinged an email off to Morette themselves asking if they can supply the part in question, but no response as yet.

I do find myself wondering if they honestly just are generic Hella branded motorcycle headlight units in there...tempted to get one and compare the beam profile. Failing that...so long as the diameter is right I could in theory probably just rob the front glass off the replacement, though I don't know how hard to separate they would both be...I have successfully re-sealed headlights before at least...

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog (Xantia, 107 and "others")

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its like the C1 fog light kit i have for sale Richard nor i can actually find the kit on looking under C1 or its accessories, only by doing an all families search in service citroen with the part No.

i just did a goooogly search for Peugeot 107 twin optic head lamps and this result came up

http://www.morette.com/products/HEADLIG ... pe_107.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Yep, that's about as far as I got with anything. The kit as a whole I can find from a few soirces for anywhere between two and four hundred quid. Wheras all I want is the main lamp unit out of it, which one would think would be a pretty generic part. Most of their actual lighting bits are sourced from Hella and Cibie as I remember, it's the housings and such that they design and make.

A lot of this style of kits (including I think the one for the 306) use the "standard" size of round lights formerly seen in sealed beam units, and on Land Rovers, Minis, Capris, MGs, Golfs etc. These are NOT that size, and are an inch or so smaller. Fallen into that trap already! ...those will fit the van though so kept them around.

Hoping that Morette will speak some common sense...though I reckon only if my luck changes!

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog (Xantia, 107 and "others")

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as you said earlier see if there are any makers name and or numbers on the lamp units them selves