C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
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C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
The EPB on my 2013 C5 X7 Tourer recently stopped working with the following dash warnings:
The Anti Rollback warning sign appeared first, with the three smaller warning lights, and the Parking brake faulty notice appeared a few days later.
The electronic handbrake lever produces a repeated loud clicking noise from the rear offside caliper but doesn’t put on the brakes.
I don’t have Lexia so pulled the OBD codes which were
U1218
P1497
P11AA
And seem unrelated to the handbrake.
I’ve completed a BSI reset but it made no difference. Coincidently, the car’s 20k miles Service light appeared at around the same time - but not at the same time. The Service light came on a couple of days before - and the mileage countdown for this appears correct.
Appreciate any guidance.
The Anti Rollback warning sign appeared first, with the three smaller warning lights, and the Parking brake faulty notice appeared a few days later.
The electronic handbrake lever produces a repeated loud clicking noise from the rear offside caliper but doesn’t put on the brakes.
I don’t have Lexia so pulled the OBD codes which were
U1218
P1497
P11AA
And seem unrelated to the handbrake.
I’ve completed a BSI reset but it made no difference. Coincidently, the car’s 20k miles Service light appeared at around the same time - but not at the same time. The Service light came on a couple of days before - and the mileage countdown for this appears correct.
Appreciate any guidance.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
I was going to ask for the codes - but you added them after, so I suspect there are other codes related to the EPB that your OBD reader cannot access. These are constructor-specific codes, and really are needed to see what may be the issue.
The U1218 is BSI information code that can apply to different ECUs on the network - but the one in relation to the EPB would not seem to apply as all 3 of the warning lights you have shown are lit, where they are not in the BSI specific handbrake fault.
So we really need Diagbox on the vehicle to progress, as that will also allow further testing on the system.
The U1218 is BSI information code that can apply to different ECUs on the network - but the one in relation to the EPB would not seem to apply as all 3 of the warning lights you have shown are lit, where they are not in the BSI specific handbrake fault.
So we really need Diagbox on the vehicle to progress, as that will also allow further testing on the system.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Thanks Marc for your reply.
I don’t see a diagbox user on the forum map who’s close to me in Swansea, so I’ll have to consider buying one.
Alternatively, can someone suggest a trusted independent workshop in my area to use?
The rear wheel clicking I mentioned above is actually on both wheels, which suggests a control problem as opposed to one on an individual wheel.
I don’t see a diagbox user on the forum map who’s close to me in Swansea, so I’ll have to consider buying one.
Alternatively, can someone suggest a trusted independent workshop in my area to use?
The rear wheel clicking I mentioned above is actually on both wheels, which suggests a control problem as opposed to one on an individual wheel.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Yes. it will be inside the EPB mechanism - but we don't know what is wrong and these are not user serviceable generally - it could be a matter of the cables are disconnected. Try a long pull up of the handbrake - which will apply maximum force and make a noise where it will try and connect them. If not, do the opposite, pust the handbrake button down fully with foot on the brake pedal - which should release them fully - then try another full application. If it doesn't reconnect the cables - you really do need to get it read. I would be wary of anyone not familiar with these - they are massively expensive to replace.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Tried the long pull and push in the lever (a couple of times) with no joy.
There’s a garage in Swansea proclaiming to be Citroen expert (Lloyds Citroen Specialists) so will call them tomorrow. If I get nowhere it’ll be off to the local dealer, but I assume they’ll want to replace parts rather than diagnosing the problem and I suppose that’s going to be expensive. MOT due at end of month so something will need to be done.
There’s a garage in Swansea proclaiming to be Citroen expert (Lloyds Citroen Specialists) so will call them tomorrow. If I get nowhere it’ll be off to the local dealer, but I assume they’ll want to replace parts rather than diagnosing the problem and I suppose that’s going to be expensive. MOT due at end of month so something will need to be done.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Yes, i's very hard to say, but you really need somebody with Diagbox that can read these specific codes - if he's a Citroen specialist, I would expect him to have Diagbox anyway. Diagbox can be used to fully release and disengage the brake cables - usually done when changing the rear brakes. Then the system goes through a reconnection routine where it sounds like the motor runs for a while until it reattaches the cables.
I put some info up here on the system throughout the thread:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... ake+cables
and here, amongst other places.
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... es#p574152
I put some info up here on the system throughout the thread:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... ake+cables
and here, amongst other places.
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... es#p574152
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
I thought there’re was a map here identifying Lexia owners but I can’t find it (or may have dreamt it!).
Could someone please point me in the right direction, or let me know of someone in South Wales with Lexia who could help by pulling the fault codes.
Thanks
Could someone please point me in the right direction, or let me know of someone in South Wales with Lexia who could help by pulling the fault codes.
Thanks
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
There's actually nobody in Wales on the list - but I'm sending you a PM
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 19&t=56452
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Ok, so after looking at those codes today Steve, this is what the official take is:
After doing a bit of research, I found this site and a chap with the same C1559 error - here's a couple of pics of the EPB unit outside cover and inside:
The translated from Polish link is here: I'm not sure how helpful it is, but there is mention of some help releasing the motor winding from what I can tell. So maybe this might help with your local specialist Steve?
https://www.elektroda.com/rtvforum/topic3333069.html
A bit more on a similar issue here:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... hp?t=60013
Regarding the use of the manual release of the EPB Steve, just found the following - as I can't remember if you allowed enough time for it to reinitialise - I'm sure you did and that this would't be causing the issues, but here for reference:
Backup unlock control.
The backup unlock control is located under the trim of the central armrest.
In the event of a failure of the electric parking brake or a flat battery, the use of the backup unlock control allows the mechanical release of the electric parking brake.
When the fault has been cured, lifting the electric parking brake control for a period of more than 3 seconds activates the electrically controlled parking brake.
During the reinitialisation for a period of about 10 to 20 seconds, the parking brake indicator light flashes on the instrument panel and a message is displayed on the instrument panel dot matrix.
At the end of this reinitialisation, the electrically controlled parking brake is applied, the parking brake indicator light on the instrument panel and the LED in the electric parking brake control come on without flashing.
Worst case scenario - current price of the unit from Citroen is part number: 1612865480 £1007.18 inc. VAT. I hope the local chaps can get inside the unit and see if there is anything obvious happening - or not happening as the EPB is applied - which might give them a clue Steve.
Fault code | C1559 |
After sales description of the fault code | System locked: Electric motor, cables or calipers |
Description of the diagnostics | Threshold of the application and release counter exceeded Rotation speed of the electric motor too high Lockup detected Maximum number (=2000) of releases at the stop exceeded |
Conditions of activation of the diagnostics | Activation of the electrically-controlled parking brake |
Conditions of disappearance of the fault | Application and release of the electrically-controlled parking brake successful |
Down-grade modes if fault present | Deactivation of automatic mode No application or release |
Switching on of the warning lamp and/or warning message | Warning lamp - "a": lit - "b": On for 10 seconds after the request for application or release - "c": lit |
Main customer complaints likely | Illumination of LED/Error message Electrically-controlled parking brake does not apply correctly Electrically-controlled parking brake releases unexpectedly |
Suspect areas | Electric parking brake |
Fault code | C155E |
After sales description of the fault code | Mechanical release of the Electric Parking Brake detected fault |
Description of the diagnostics | Movement of the electric parking brake actuator detected without any action of the electric motor |
Conditions of activation of the diagnostics | Manual release of the electric parking brake |
Conditions of disappearance of the fault | - |
Down-grade modes if fault present | No back-up mode |
Switching on of the warning lamp and/or warning message | Warning lamp - "a": Not on - "b": On for 10 seconds after the request for application or release - "c": Not on |
Main customer complaints likely | Illumination of LED/Error message Electrically-controlled parking brake does not apply correctly Electrically-controlled parking brake does not release correctly |
Suspect areas | Use of the electric parking brake with the lever Calibration of the electric parking brake |
The translated from Polish link is here: I'm not sure how helpful it is, but there is mention of some help releasing the motor winding from what I can tell. So maybe this might help with your local specialist Steve?
https://www.elektroda.com/rtvforum/topic3333069.html
A bit more on a similar issue here:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... hp?t=60013
Regarding the use of the manual release of the EPB Steve, just found the following - as I can't remember if you allowed enough time for it to reinitialise - I'm sure you did and that this would't be causing the issues, but here for reference:
Backup unlock control.
The backup unlock control is located under the trim of the central armrest.
In the event of a failure of the electric parking brake or a flat battery, the use of the backup unlock control allows the mechanical release of the electric parking brake.
When the fault has been cured, lifting the electric parking brake control for a period of more than 3 seconds activates the electrically controlled parking brake.
During the reinitialisation for a period of about 10 to 20 seconds, the parking brake indicator light flashes on the instrument panel and a message is displayed on the instrument panel dot matrix.
At the end of this reinitialisation, the electrically controlled parking brake is applied, the parking brake indicator light on the instrument panel and the LED in the electric parking brake control come on without flashing.
Worst case scenario - current price of the unit from Citroen is part number: 1612865480 £1007.18 inc. VAT. I hope the local chaps can get inside the unit and see if there is anything obvious happening - or not happening as the EPB is applied - which might give them a clue Steve.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Hi Marc
Thanks very much for your help and guidance today.
I’ll try the procedure you’ve included tomorrow, but think I’ve probably already held it on for 20 seconds. Still, worth another try before facing a £1000+ bill!!
I’ll let you know how it goes.
Thanks very much for your help and guidance today.
I’ll try the procedure you’ve included tomorrow, but think I’ve probably already held it on for 20 seconds. Still, worth another try before facing a £1000+ bill!!
I’ll let you know how it goes.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
The car’s in with my local specialist, Lloyds in Swansea. Lloyds taken a look and found that one of the cables from the Electronic Handbrake unit to the brake calliper has snapped. He tells me that the cable isn’t available and that a whole new unit with cables comes to over £1200 including fitting.
Just wondering if anyone’s managed to replace a cable without buying the whole lot. Or perhaps had a replacement cable made up?
Alternatively does anyone have this for sale from a 2013 C5 x7 (mk 3) Exclusive Tourer? I believe the saloon is different. Just the cables will do as I’ll attempt to retrofit them to my electronic unit.
Thanks
Just wondering if anyone’s managed to replace a cable without buying the whole lot. Or perhaps had a replacement cable made up?
Alternatively does anyone have this for sale from a 2013 C5 x7 (mk 3) Exclusive Tourer? I believe the saloon is different. Just the cables will do as I’ll attempt to retrofit them to my electronic unit.
Thanks
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Hi Steve Grim news on that front then.
1612865480 is the revised parking brake part number. As you can see only the cable sleeve is available, not the cables themselves.
The original part number was: 470214
£1007.18 inc. VAT is the current retail price from Citroen.
The cheapest I've seen one is here: New at £774.51 plus 15 Euros shipping to the UK
At least you have the part numbers to search on Steve - so maybe sending off a search request to the breaker circuit. The one's I searched for has all sold out.
1612865480 is the revised parking brake part number. As you can see only the cable sleeve is available, not the cables themselves.
The original part number was: 470214
£1007.18 inc. VAT is the current retail price from Citroen.
The cheapest I've seen one is here: New at £774.51 plus 15 Euros shipping to the UK
At least you have the part numbers to search on Steve - so maybe sending off a search request to the breaker circuit. The one's I searched for has all sold out.
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Has anyone ever contacted one of the bespoke manufacturers of cables? One of them might have a solution.
A quick Google came up with these:
https://speedycables.com/heavy-duty-cables/ (a name I remember from the past)
http://www.cable-tec.co.uk/Applications ... Cables.asp
https://www.venhill.co.uk/custom-cables/
https://www.thediscdirectory.co.uk/wm/c ... 89431.html
A quick Google came up with these:
https://speedycables.com/heavy-duty-cables/ (a name I remember from the past)
http://www.cable-tec.co.uk/Applications ... Cables.asp
https://www.venhill.co.uk/custom-cables/
https://www.thediscdirectory.co.uk/wm/c ... 89431.html
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
Venhill are good.... just not very cheap, unfortunately
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Re: C5 X7 2.0 hdi auto electronic parking brake problem
But there's a lot of wiggle room, given that a new unit costs over a grand - which is frankly obscene for something that is bound to fail at around 8 years old. In the US that would no doubt be grounds for a class action....
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