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The evil diesel

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Hi Guys
Following the increase in London congestion charge I was wondering if this anti diesel issue of increased pollutants and reduced air quality includes all diesels (lorrys busses black cabs etc) My main question is does the Eolys system make any difference or does it add to the dioxides etc. Reason for asking is my 2.2hdi is getting tired and I'm planning an upgrade to the c5X7 in the new year. I was looking at the 2.0 or 2.7 diesel but should I go for a petrol version c5 instead?

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I would still go for the diesel providing they don't decide to tax it out of existence.
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The Budget is next Wednesday, there is speculation in some quarters that VED on diesel cars may increase more than their petrol counterparts.
I suppose it really depends how much of an increase it is, I'll probably have to contemplate changing my diesel Xantia next year and new rates of VED may influence my choice.
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I will make sure to fill my C5 up on Tuesday then!
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Bandit12 wrote: 17 Nov 2017, 10:54 Hi Guys
Following the increase in London congestion charge I was wondering if this anti diesel issue of increased pollutants and reduced air quality includes all diesels (lorrys busses black cabs etc) My main question is does the Eolys system make any difference or does it add to the dioxides etc. Reason for asking is my 2.2hdi is getting tired and I'm planning an upgrade to the c5X7 in the new year. I was looking at the 2.0 or 2.7 diesel but should I go for a petrol version c5 instead?

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A petrol, because diesels are horrible to drive IMO. I've driven diesels for years and recently gone back to petrol for all 3 of our cars. Sooo much nicer to drive. Quieter and smoother for a start, and the economy isn't that much different if you drive properly. Couple that with all the horrors that the diesel has that can give your wallet a battering should they fail... petrol for me thanks.
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My V6 Activa does not pay the extra T Charge as it was first registard in 2015 .....happy Days :)
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It would all depend on how many miles you are doing per year anything above 10k a year is a difficult one, the newer diesels are much cleaner according to manufacturer's findings. But i do think a petrol may be a better idea due to the evil diesel brigade gathering momentum.
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Bick wrote: 17 Nov 2017, 18:25 It would all depend on how many miles you are doing per year anything above 10k a year is a difficult one, the newer diesels are much cleaner according to manufacturer's findings. But i do think a petrol may be a better idea due to the evil diesel brigade gathering momentum.

If you can believe them - it was mentioned recently that an independent survey found that the Quasquai 1.6 diesels chuck out 14x the amount of pollution that Nissan admits to :(
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myglaren wrote: 17 Nov 2017, 18:35
Bick wrote: 17 Nov 2017, 18:25 It would all depend on how many miles you are doing per year anything above 10k a year is a difficult one, the newer diesels are much cleaner according to manufacturer's findings. But i do think a petrol may be a better idea due to the evil diesel brigade gathering momentum.

If you can believe them - it was mentioned recently that an independent survey found that the Quasquai 1.6 diesels chuck out 14x the amount of pollution that Nissan admits to :(


Exactly that is why is worded my post as i did i dont believe any of them - i had some dealings with natural gas truck conversions some years ago - all i will say is take things with a pinch of salt re emissions from any manufacturer.
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Nobody to my knowledge has seriously questioned a petrol engine's real life emissions. There does seem to be a concerted effort by parties with an axe to grind against diesel powered vehicles. I would be willing to bet that a petrol engine chucks out more nasties than it's supposed to especially when it's cold and the cat isn't up to working temperature. At least on a diesel the DPF works regardless of the engine temperature.

And if I could put my two penn'orth in I drive a diesel by choice. I prefer the driving characteristics of a low revving engine and the superior torque means that I don't have to change gear as often. I especially like entering a motorway rom the slip road at two gears higher than a petrol engine would want to be in.

If you do any driving on the continent then the much cheaper diesel in most of the countries is a significant factor as well. The last time I looked the UK has the second highest price in Europe. I think it was only Norway that "beat" us.
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Correct. We have ample grounds now to believe nothing the vehicle manufacturers say about their own products. The focus has completely gone away from petrol emissions, and that no doubt suits the motor industry - and government too, who cannot cope in any direction at the moment, let alone a revolution in transport.

What would completely upset the apple cart is some independent research detailing what some of us suspect about petrol tailpipe emissions: essentially without 'smoke', but deadly all the same. Give it a while, and something authoritative will be published, if it hasn't already.
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Must say, decidedly more relaxed driving in a good diesel, with plenty of torque available without holding gears and high engine revs. Comparing like with like, fuel consumption differs markedly, especially touring and on high-speed open roads . . . something a bit difficult in the UK, I accept. One more reason for the UK to go electric a.s.a.p.
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I'm not finding a huge amount of difference in economy at all. The 1.8 16v Petrol Grand Picassso is averaging 37mpg. The Berlingo, a 2.0 HDi averaged around 40 the whole time we had it - so bigger vehicle, nicer and quieter to drive, similar economy, and better economy at speed. My 2.1TD XM never did much more mpg than my 2.0 TCT on the motorway at 85-90, but it was noisier and ran out of puff quicker at high speeds.

Show me a 290BHP 2.5 litre diesel that will do 40mpg at 70mph..
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Our 2.5TD XM was originally 129bhp, now probably 160-170 at a guess.
Routinely returns 42-44 on motorway work, cruising at legal limits of 75mph in Spain and 80 in France.
At 70mph, it would be heading towards 50mpg.
Don't have 290bhp, but do have buckets of torque.
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When C5 X7 is considered, diesel is only option. All gasoline engines are crap (1,8 and 2,0 underpowered with lousy automatic gearbox, 1,6THP is total disaster). V6 would be only viable option, but they're VERY rare.
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I luv my old diesel. All kinds of driving. Motorway, City or trundling across fields, it does the lot and enough power with good economy.
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