Just how "bad" is the EGS Gearbox?

[momag46]

I’ve got one of the new {2017} C4 Picassos with the latest auto box and as said earlier auto boxes have come a long way in 10 years.
When I first bought a C4 with the egs box the main advantage was that it was as more economical that the manual and much better than the auto. Also because it was so clean that road tax was only £30.
Now, the latest auto boxes are much more economical than they were, probably on a par with the manual and they are also very clean making the C4P very cheap to run and very smooth in operation.
There was very little difference between my latest C4P and the egs one I had before. The latest egs version had a ‘cheep’ function and other than there was no ‘park’ position it would be difficult to tell it wasn’t a normal auto.

Maurice

[white exec]

Marc,
JOOI, could you post a list of models which used the EGS box?

[GiveMeABreak]

Marc,
JOOI, could you post a list of models which used the EGS box?

Most of the current passenger vehicles have the option of it in the PSA range, although PSA have dropped the system from all of their large cars, retaining it for the smaller models only going forward with new ranges, given how controversial it is. Clunky gear changed and hesitation being one of the issues.

Most larger cars like the DS5 Hybrid and others will be getting the new Auto boxes (8 speed) instead,

Excluding other electronic boxes as used on some earlier models C2, C3 sensodrive etc., and focussing on the Piloted manual gearboxes
Berlingo
C3 (A51)
C4
C4 Cactus
C4 Picasso
C5 (X7)
DS3
DS4
DS5
C Crosser
Spacetourer

There are probably some others, but that’s most of the passenger Citroen ones. Peugeot will be similar on most of their range.

[xantia_v6]

I have split a number of posts about the AM6 transmission from this topic into a new topic viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61573

[dave_xsara]

Is there a visible way of checking from an advert if the car has a EGS or AM6 box?

I was looking at a few adverts for these, but could not tell what they were fitted with.

[crapday69]

The gearstick. If it has a P then it will be a full torque converter automatic. EGS doesn’t have the P or park setting on the gear change.

[GiveMeABreak]

I can with a car registration (I'm obviously assuming you can't get the VIN from an ad), but short of that, not really unless they mention "6-Speed Controlled Manual Gearbox" or "STT 6-Speed Piloted Manual Gearbox" or EGS for example. But I wouldn't rely on descriptions either - especially if the owner is ignorant of the difference - and assumes it's an Auto!

[GiveMeABreak]

^ Yes - Good point there from Gary - assuming you get a good picture of the gearbox, that's another way to tell - not having 'P' on an automatic looking gear shift will also confirm it as piloted.

[crapday69]

Or even asking how much it is to tax. If it’s £20/£30 it’s an EGS. IF ITS £129/£130 it’s a torque converter auto.

[GiveMeABreak]

Not in all cases Gary - depends on the vehicle - a C5 X7 will set you back £290 car tax with an AM6 Auto for a 138 BHP model.

[crapday69]

What I really should have said is anything over £30 to tax the car will be a full proper auto box. Both my C4 and C5 where £30 to tax. My friends 2012 C4 is only £20 to tax all EGS boxes.

[GiveMeABreak]

Just as well it's low to zero tax, as EGS owners will likely have to cough up the big bucks when it goes toes up!

[EDC5]

Not in all cases Gary - depends on the vehicle - a C5 X7 will set you back £290 car tax with an AM6 Auto for a 138 BHP model.

This is true

[Sloppysod]

Not in all cases Gary - depends on the vehicle - a C5 X7 will set you back £290 car tax with an AM6 Auto for a 138 BHP model.

&
.............a C5 X7 will set you back £250 car tax with an AM6 Auto for a 163HP model (in 2019)

[GiveMeABreak]

^ Is that why you've got her up for sale Stu!