Veggie oil

[daviemck2006]

I've just bought a cheap berlingo 1.9 non turbo work hack. Does anyone know if this will run on veggie? It's 06 plate so presumably the dw8 engine. Just wondering. If it needs diesel then it needs diesel but saving a few quid on veg would be handy. In not going to go to the hassle of filtering used veg, it would be clean new veg.

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[Michel]

No. It won't. Lucas pump. Electronics. A quick death would be assured.

They're not economical either!

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[daviemck2006]

That's a quick and definitive answer so I won't chuck veg in then. They may not be economical but will be more economical than the v6 pug around town, or even the 205 auto. It's anything but economical, old tech 1.6 petrol auto! The van is for shifting garden s**t from the house and saving toe two pugs from stinking like a Turkish pizza shop!

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[van ordinaire]

Funny, my 2005 C15's quite happy on 1/3 sunflower oil. I've still got the last of Tesco's 15 litres for £12 but I wonder if the saving is worth the messing about now.

[daviemck2006]

Is the later c15 the same engine as the berlingo?

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[ekjdm14]

Doesn't yours have a Bosch pump van? That's not a bad price for veg considering the diesel has climbed back to about £1.20-1.25 again round here... Could even be tempted (actually, all joking aside it might be worth throwing a couple of gallons through White to give the injectors a clean)

[Timmo]

I picked up 40L of veg through booker for £36 this week, fuel for the trip to France in 10 days! i used to frequently pick it up from tesco with the groceries,

[van ordinaire]

I had assumed the DW8 went into the C15D when the Berly came out - but then again, it was only an assumption on my part that for the time they both in production, they had a common engine.

Yet another assumption is mine has Bosch pump, 'cos i've never looked &, must confess, short of finding the maker's name, I wouldn't know how to identify it.

That price was a result of Tesco's 3 for price of 2, so I was buying 45 litres at a time whenever I was in vicinity of the larger stores that were doing it: 9 being the largest multiple of 3 you could get in a trolley. An exception to that was the garage in Lewisham (as opposed to the supermarket forecourt) but carrying even 3 x 5 litres isn't easy. I think Farmfresh Foods do 10 litres for £9.98 but generally it's over £1 a litre & can be more than the £1.15 I'm paying for diesel now. I don't have a Booker card, I s'pose I could have a look in Metro (if that's what it's still called) but, somehow, I doubt they'll accept my old Macro card. As you shouldn't have to pay £1 a litre in France I'm not sure it's worth schlepping the stuff there & then have to mess about with a funnel, or a pump - but that's just me.

[daviemck2006]

I wouldnt know where to look for the fuel pump, besides even know how to differentiate between the two! Diesel is £1.22.9 here, my boss can get veg at 80p, so 42p a litre saving would be worth it for me, ive done 143 miles for two nights work, tomorrow will be quieter so say maybe 180 to 190 miles, if I have a bosch pump and would run ok then it would get near exclusively veg.

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[CitroJim]

Davie, the pump will be on the front LH (as you look at it) side of the engine and you really can't miss it...

Look for the four pipes going to the injectors...

Pop up some pictures and we'll identify it...

If it is a Lucas/Delphi then veg. oil in any dilution is totally forbidden... It will kill it and if you (or anyone else) wants to know why, I can tell you exactly and demonstrate what happens...

[Paul-R]

Question.

Veg oil is generally cheaper than pump diesel but does it have the same, or similar, calorific value? What difference, if any, is there in the MPG comparing the two fuels?

[Timmo]

My old td does 40mpg around town on veg, never worked out full run as normally return home with half a tank left and used for running around,

[van ordinaire]

Thanks Davie, so glad it's not just me being thick.

If I could still get veggie for 80p a litre, I'd be using it but, at the moment I'm not sure.

If the Haynes C15 manual is to be believed they had Bosch pumps by '98, possibly from '93 - but then it doesn't mention Lucas at all, unless "Roto-diesel is Lucas by another name.

Can't say I've ever really noticed whether the consumption is significantly different, according to the fuel I'm using BUT, it's not something I pay a lot of attention to.

[ekjdm14]

Rotodiesel is indeed Lucas, and if you look at the cast iron bit where the HP fuel pipes fit into (distributor head) you'd be able to identify it. A squared off dizzy is Bosch whereas a round one is Lucas/Roto.

I'd be interested in the full rundown/pics Jim if you have them available, I believe it's something to do with the way the Lucas pump's dizzy head is lubricated that differs to Bosch & the lack of lubricity is what causes them to fail on veg but, as I say, I'd be interested to hear from a true expert & see for myself please.

I did actually run my old 405 with Lucas pump on a mix about 50/50 years ago with no apparent issues aside from showing up the iffy glow plugs of a morning. That was only short term though (less than 6 months) so I don't know what damage I did or how long the pump lasted for afterwards.

[CitroJim]

I'd be interested in the full rundown/pics Jim if you have them available, I believe it's something to do with the way the Lucas pump's dizzy head is lubricated that differs to Bosch & the lack of lubricity is what causes them to fail on veg but, as I say, I'd be interested to hear from a true expert & see for myself please.

That's the basic crux of it exactly Dan.... I'll do a proper write-up on it later as right now I'm exhausted from a truly excellent DS Rally today...

The best one I've been to in years