1997 1.9TD Estate - A Tyre-ing question about handling

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Re: 1997 1.9TD Estate - MOT Fail

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Beko1987,

Re the exhaust fixing kit, some of the after market kits bolts are shorter than the citroen originals and make fitting worse. So I bought them from citroen and found they were cheaper!

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I've never bought any parts from Citroen directly before! I do remember the bolts I bought from ebay on the ZX being a bit short now you mention it.

I'll stick with the old bolts, the exhaust has been on and off a few times so hopefully their ok. One is a loose and won't tighten up though, I'm hoping it's just dirt on the threads, if not I'll pack it out with some washers or something to get it air tight enough for the test!

Actually, off the back of your post, I phoned my local dealer, Worleys Citroen, and part 179874 (the kit) is £24.89 all in, they don't stock it but it's still available, can be obtained for the next day.

I might take the chance for now, at least one bolt is fine, the other one is holding on. Or I'll sweet talk the missus for £25 and get it ordered for Friday. Buggar, should have asked about an exhaust clamp too, although I don't know if the pattern part exhaust I ordered is the same diameter as stock, so may stick to a euro car parts cheapy on that and measure the flange on the pipe and measure the clamp before I walk out of the shop.
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If I remember correctly it's about 60 mm

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Well this isn't worrying at all, I've had everything sent to work, however I'm off tomorrow and Monday, and the backbox has not arrived yet... I'm not nervous at all!

I'm out drinking in the town I work in tonight though, and sleeping at my mums who lives just around the corner so could hang on for a bit tomorrow incase it lands early, otherwise I'll have to book the MOT for next saturday afternoon, and hope it all just fits first time!

Ebay listing says delivery due today, but I always take those with a pinch of salt. I also it seems only bought 1 exhaust rubber and not 3. So got to go to euro car parts tomorrow and buy 2 more and the exhaust clamp for a very reasonable £4.

I hate waiting for stuff for an urgent job that may or may not turn up!
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beko1987 wrote: I hate waiting for stuff for an urgent job that may or may not turn up!
I know exactly what you mean :twisted:

Fingers crossed it all works out [-o< It normally does :wink:
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Not a nice feeling, having to wait on mail order parts that are past their delivery estimate. Just pray they don't use DHL as courier, else they'll likely just chuck the parcel through any open window they can find and hope somebody finds it. (this is precisely what happened when ordering oil filter elements from one of ECP's Ebay accounts, we'd already requested and received a replacement when the first delivery was discovered under the dining room window, behind the cat bed!)

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That's pretty shocking! I believe they get penalised for every parcel they have to take back to the depot so they try as hard as possible to 'deliver' everything...

I've had things left in my green recycling bin in the past!
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Ordered some injector cleaner last Sunday from ECP.
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It was delivered on Monday by DHL, left in the lockable services cupboard - most of the delivery people are aware of this - lock it in the cupboard and post the key.

So, delivered early, in a safe place and it was even the right stuff :)
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Well, in the end it turned up at 08.50 friday morning! I was having a coffee and a rolly after a not too heavy night at a supplier dinner when my mate/colleague messaged me, so I popped to work and grabbed the backbox, then went home!

Full of trepidation of it not fitting, I got started. Had a bit of an issue with one of the fixing bolts, the washer spring cup had jammed on the bolt, which is why it was loose and wouldn't tighten up. I tried wiggling it the 1/2 inch of room there was, but in the end a big screwdriver up the other end levered it free and down the thing came! A quick beat apart of the rusty join in the pipe and the old system was off!

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Half the issue I think was there was a big hole in the weld where the pipe joins the cat casing. The whole of the rest of the system was awful, and don't forget, no cat (hollowed out) and no backbox!

New system was back on within half an hour, there's loads of room to get to the manifold bolts, it was a breeze! It all fitted too, and now I don't have a massive rusty tailpipe sticking out the back, the backbox is hidden nicely behind the bumper. I haven't taken a picture yet.

So, she now sounds wonderful and quiet, just the rattly engine now, but it's always done that, got worse since the cambelt issue, I think I've hit a valve the wrong way or something, but I'm not worrying about that now. MOT D day is Monday afternoon (he didn't say a time, just pop over'). I'm almost confident:
New exhaust system (no cat but a backbox)
Drivers seat solid again
handbrake now takes 2 clicks to on, and just about goes to 4 clicks (if anything i need to loosen the adjustment now...)
Brake pipes are secure again
Numberplate light does work

Just the emissions now. I doesn't kick out as much/any smoke now when hot, a bit when cold still. My plan is, to use veg. I have maybe 20 miles left until the light comes on, so my plan is to lob 20l of veg in, take the air filter out, back the throttle cable off a bit then drive the long way to the mot place, stop around the corner for one last redline then spend 40 nervous minutes smoking and worrying!

I hope it passes, I want to refresh the suspension next year so it has some ride comfort back! And new tyres, get the rust sorted, new/better interior, engine fettled etc and then hoepfully a bloody good detail

But only if it passes the MOT
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Let's update the title, it may not fail this time!
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Fingers crossed for a pass ;)
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Best of luck Beko!
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Timmo wrote:Best of luck Beko!
Seconded [-o<
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It failed again, still throwing out thick black clouds on the snap acceleration test, despite a week of ragging the t**s off it where I can, new exhaust, turning the fuel down a touch etc.

I'm a bit worried now...
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Dammit! :( I thought you'd managed to sort that though? I suppose if you just need the car on the road you could turn the fuelling down stupidly low for the test (but enough for it to still rev hard with no load on) & back to reasonable power afterwards, then you have a year to sort out whatever the issue is.
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