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I have just got hold of a Crucial 525GB m.2 SSD. Ruddy hell, it is physically tiny! 3" by 1" by 1/8"! It isn't a long way from the motherboard either (at the end of a cable); it plugs straight onto an on-board connector, and is secured with one little bolt.
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Next machine I build will hopefully have entirely passive cooling...or liquid cooling and a huge radiator so I don't need noisy fans.

Hard drive noise never really bothers me, it's fans that do.
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My PC has at least 7 fans, but they are all high quality (which means low noise). The chassis has two 120mm fans (driven from the motherboard), the Corsair PSU has a pair, there are two on the graphics card, and there is the CPU fan. Even when I am gaming (and the CPU shows it is running at 72C) the system is running quietly (not silent, but certainly not an obtrusive noise; I could watch a film on the PC and if there were quiet periods in the film I would not have to turn up the volume to hear the film.
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I bought a Swiss tower that was silent. Four huge fans, all temperature conrolled that turned very slowly, two at the bottom (where the power supply was) and two conventionally at the top. The top two hardly ever ran.

Hard drive contained in a suspended ally heat sink in front of the lower fans, no transmitted vibration so silent too, and a silent CPU fan.

Could never hear it.

Unfortunately when it became time for an upgrade the power supply, a custom made one, wasn't quite up to the demands of the new motherboard and processor :(
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I remember a friend who had fluidic cooling (water) on his PC. The 'radiator' section was a small indoor ornamental fountain. Initially this was in the same room as the computer, but whenever the PC started working hard the fountain would react, and within a few minutes he had the urge for a toilet break. By moving the fountain to the living room he dealt with that issue, and his girlfriend could tell when the PC was under a heavy strain.
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I've finally abandoned Windows on my mobile phone and gone Android with a Nokia 5. Took me only a few hours to get to grips with it.

I have even set up Android Pay.

So far, the transition has been painless and easier than I expected....
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Now what you need is a copy of Lineage on it Jim. Running stock is boring. :rofl2:
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demag wrote: 10 Feb 2018, 11:25 Now what you need is a copy of Lineage on it Jim. Running stock is boring. :rofl2:


What's that then Dave? All this Android stuff is brand new to me and I'm still learning!

Successfully used Android Pay today ☺️ That really is an excellent system...

I think I could get to like this phone. Posting from it now...
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It's all down to personal choice really Jim. You know me, deep mistrust of anything Microsoft, Facebook or Google related, although I use them.
I'm always messing round with phones, I'm posting this from a Motorola G3 which I fitted a new touchscreen to last night as the old one was shattered.
I also mess about with the operating systems known as ROMS and that's what Lineage is, an independenly developed rom which in turn is based on a now defunct rom called Cyanogenmod and that was an official fork from Android. It became so popular and well developed that some phone manufacturers used it on new phones.
There are loads of ROMS in the wild, some developed by well known names like Ubuntu and Firefox no less. There's a lot of info about, look at Wikipedia and an excellent site called Xda Developers. Even if you don't do anything with your phone, the history and development makes fascinating reading. A bit like Citroen really but obviously on a smaller scale.
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That sounds interesting Dave. I shall go and find out all about it now but this phone I'll be leaving as-is for now at least.

I was attracted to the Nokia 5 as it's pretty basic and has no frills about it. It does all that's needed without any apparent - so far - complications, fiddling or hassle/frustration ☺️
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I can see it being cheaper in other ways. 5000 units delivered to the factory will take up less space meaning cheaper delivery. Take up less space meaning cheaper storage in the factory. Sometimes dearer things can work out cheaper in the long run. Companies that use Apple macs spend more money buying them, but after 5 years in the office they save money due the the maintenance costs of a PC vs mac.
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Dealers rarely keep parts in stock these days - they just don't have the space and can't afford to tie up money in dead stock apart from common and often used parts like air and oil filters, oil and the like. With parts distribution networks now highly evolved, they can order a component from their parts 'hub' and have it delivered within hours or certainly by next day. I Needed a bonnet release cable and lever urgently - rang up at about 10 am and they had it there at 1:30 pm for me.

Re the PC v Mac I couldn't disagree more :-D Apple have engineered obsolescence into most of their hardware. PCs are infinitely more configurable and upgradable from the motherboard to just about every component. Most macs are not. You pay inflated prices for hardware that cannot be upgraded, memory that cannot be expanded, and components that cannot be upgraded. Expensive to buy expensive to repair often necessitating return to apple due to the screens being glued and sealed so you can’t easily get into them. There are utterly no advantages any more to owning a Mac in terms of performance. That argument went out with the dinosaurs. :-D Just see how they have constantly changed their power and peripheral connectors, reduced ports and connectivity and nobody in business in their right mind would ever use them for their employees.

I’ve spent over 30 years in ICT, and not one organisation ever entertained Apple / Macs for business use. They used to make reasonable products for musicians and AV professionals but not any more given the far more capable PCs of today and the wealth of software options.

And I've just had to have a battery replaced on my iPhone at a Stormfront outlet (normally £79) as a result of the deliberate throttling of the iPhone 6 & 7 when your battery is not at peak - again requiring the screen to be removed and unglued to get at it. Itunes - don't get me started! :-D

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Im not going to argue with IBM as they developed the original PC.

"Any organization serious about managing and securing Windows will need to add additional software and tools to the cost of their cheap PC, as opposed to having those features built into the operating system with Mac. Finally, when you add on the cost of management tools and support, the total cost of ownership gap can potentially be huge for an organization. In fact, IBM found they saved between $273 - $513 per Mac they deployed compared to PCs."


As for home use. My old 2006 iMac only had the power unit replaced in my 10.5 years of ownership where as my 2 sons had to replace various components on there PC's and I dont know how many times they had to do a system restore. As fr the battery issue, Apple do a replacement for £29. I think they will compensate you if you paid more than that to replace your battery on your 5/6/or 7. I'd rather my phone was throttled due to a poor battery that it bursting into flames, but thats for another thread :-D

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I worked in LA Education amongst other places and we had thousands and thousands of PCs and laptops in use - centrally managed, configured and updated all remotely. New drive needed? - 5 minutes to install and imaged remotely in no time - memory upgrade - same 5 minutes - Mac - throw away and buy a new one with the right memory - non-upgradable. I think if this was the case, we would all be using Apple devices in government / LAs - which is not the case as they are too expensive and cannot be maintained by support staff like a PC.

Apple just doesn't have the software base either - bespoke apps for specialist applications are mainly designed for Windows - even retail POS terminals run windows OS! Gamers - forget it.

Software and compatibility with the widest user base is also important and MS Office, like it or hate it is has been the choice in terms of cost and compatibility. I mean 'Pages' - really? who used that anyway? Even the few versions of office produced for the MAC are so expensive and do not have the same number of releases and upgrades - so what do you do? buy a Windows OS emulator for all your Apple devices...... hmmm, built in compatibility and cost of ownership - not in my book Gary - but hey ho each to their own :-D

In fact this is a good opportunity for me to have a general groan at Apple so ignore me Gary :-D

I should mention that whilst getting my battery replaced at Stormfront - they had to give the iPhone the third degree before accepting it in - not that I was concerned as it was in pristine unscratched condition. However, the chap was furiously tapping away on his iMac - apologising that everything was taking an age - and that he couldn't do anything about it. I told him to chill out and keep calm :-D He then came to the part where they have to photograph the iPhone from all sides and angles. He unplugged a device from the back of hi iMac with some huffing (his iMac only had 2 USB ports) - then plugged in a camera device with some LEDs to scan inside the phone ports - which after 5 attempts he gave up on. More apologies and he then went to get an ipad and manually took some photos with that. So half an hour of faffing to get my iphone booked in for a battery replacement - before they actually started any work on it.

Can't wait for the obligatory survey that will no doubt be winging its way to me shortly :-D

I've just seen a FOI request to the Scottish Government asking how much money they spent on Apple Products from 2010 (to 2012) - the response
"....The Scotland Office has not incurred any expenditure on Apple hardware/devises or apple software since the start of 2010....."
and yes they spelt 'devises' as I typed it.
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