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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by van ordinaire » 07 Apr 2019, 01:51

The (perceived) value of "classics" has some odd components - & their interaction can be even odder. Weird/unusual/rare often mean more than good/nice/prestigious/desirable when new.

Oh, & never mind auctions, a SA Traction needing TLC (& maybe a few bits, e.g. rear lights) turned up in Ireland on eBay for, iirc, about £3,500 - must admit it's where my money (if I had it) would go.

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 13 Apr 2019, 19:38

Anglia Car Auctions today, and rather than troop all the way down to Kings Lynn I did a bit of live telephone bidding for the first time. Have to say it all went smoothly but I was unsuccessful in securing the car I was interested in. Up against another telephone bidder who was prepared to go higher than me. I did bid up to and over my limit which was in excess of the top guide price, but I stopped before the desire to secure the purchase and compete with the other bidder started getting into paying silly money massively over the original guide price.

Now that the chance for that particular vehicle is gone...I do wonder if I should have pushed it a little more.
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Neil, it's not the ones you miss that you have to worry about it's the ones you buy. There will be another one along soon.....maybe.


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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 15 Apr 2019, 17:17

One for Peugeot Fans. The 406 Coupe....did you know....
The 406 Coupe was unveiled officially at The Paris Motor Show in 1996. The Coupe was an instant success and won many awards including "The Most Beautiful Coupe of the World 1997" at Milan, "Car Design Award 1997" at Turin and "The Most Beautiful Car of the Year 1998" at the Festival of Chamonix.
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full details here, up at no reserve so its going to be sold, Barons Spring Classic 30th April 2019 Sandown Park Racecourse. Its a V6 but does have a LPG conversion.

https://www.barons-auctions.com/view-lo ... lpg-system

It looks good, gets 50mpg according to the blurb, but is it going to be "Going for a song" ?

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur » 15 Apr 2019, 19:10

from memory, I think both of the SD1 Estates survive, Beaulieu has one and Haynes the other (IIRC).

Saw one of the P6 Estates, a 3.5 Manual (!), at Goodwood's Breakfast Club Est Car Sunday a few weeks ago, I didn't mind the styling, but was surprised at the height of the Boot Floor.

Did rather like this Triumph 2000 Mk1 though, one of my favourite bits of styling on the Mk1.
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Post by NewcastleFalcon » 17 Apr 2019, 21:46

More Peugeots.....Brightwells Leominster 15th May
https://www.brightwells.com/classic-mot ... -15th-may/
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Post by NewcastleFalcon » 24 Apr 2019, 20:54

Bangers and Cash a series of episodes featuring Mathewsons Classic Car auctions with a background of the gorgeous North Yorkshire countryside.

Episode 1 was last Thursday but available on UKTV play

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Post by Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur » 24 Apr 2019, 21:25

Little n Large! No prizes for guessing which one I'd have on my Driveway in a jiffy !

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by white exec » 24 Apr 2019, 21:32

Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur wrote:
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Saw one of the P6 Estates, a 3.5 Manual (!), at Goodwood's Breakfast Club Est Car Sunday a few weeks ago, I didn't mind the styling, but was surprised at the height of the Boot floor.
Trouble was (for the Estate conversion), the P6's rather splendid DeDion rear suspension occupied a lot of vertical space, and the fuel tank (in the saloon version located behind the rear seats and above floor level) had to be relocated to under the boot floor in the Estate.

Agree about the Triumph 2000 Estate: 6-cylinder, too, plus overdrive. Later became a 2500.

The Rover 3.5 'manual' was the 3500S, which was a good bit more powerful (and economic) than the 3500 auto. My 1975 S returned 24mpg in urban use, and 27-28 touring. A 5-speed (SD1) conversion gave it another 1-2mpg, with an incredibly relaxed 5th gear. Late versions of the SD1 'box could provide 29mph+/1000rpm.

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Post by Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur » 26 Apr 2019, 19:57

aha, always nice to have this explained. Had a google of DeDion suspension too, to understand better. Was the manual box so rare coz it wasn't up to the job of handling that much power?

Damn good MPG figures all considered, less than 3000 revs at the legal limit with the late SD1's. Must've been everso tempting to exceed it by some margin!

I was surprised on a recent-ish Coach journey [practical for London, but I hated not having the car] to realise how high geared modern commercials are. IIRC it was doing less than 2k revs on the motorway!

Maybe one day I'll get to experience a 'six'.... I know they're apparently silky smooth, but haven't witnessed it personally.

Were all the 2500's the infamous Lucas PI Injection, or was it an option? Don't suppose that helped our already ailing car industry much...

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by white exec » 27 Apr 2019, 09:07

Wikipedia is (as always) good on the Triumph 2000/2500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_2000.
The Lucas mechanical fuel injection for the 2500 (involving a windscreen wiper motor, it seems!) was not good - I remember a friend's TR6's idling being all over the place, and a bit of an embarrassment - and the PI was eventually dropped, in favour of twin Strombergs and SUs.

The Wiki article explains some of the confusing Triumph 2500 model nomenclature as well, where TC didn't mean twin carb :shock: and S meant something else. I get the feeling that Triumph were constantly having to playing catch-up with Rover and their P6, so felt thay had to have a TC in the range as well. The estate version was a good move though, and it sold reasonably well, something which Rover had real difficulty with.

At Solihull, Rover produced something in the region of 325,317 P6s between 1963 and 1977 (exact figure in dispute, and could be c.329,000), with records showing
4-cyl models - 246,260
8-cyl models - 79,057.
By 1972, Solihull was producing 1000 P6s a week.

The 3500 manual (3500S*) clocked up 17,015, alongside the 3500 Auto at 62,042.
*which Rover insisted stood for Synchromesh, although the public and most owners thought differently.

Rover used 3-speed Borg-Warner 'boxes on their Autos, initially the BW35, and later the improved BW65. When the V8 was launched, Rover's own 4-speed manual 'box was found to be of insufficient strength for the V8's torque, and so the car was launched as "automatic only". Rover eventually designed and built a new 4-speed box (at their Pengam, S.Wales gearbox plant), with improved bearings and lubrication, and this allowed a manual option for the V8. As part of SD1 development, another new manual 'box, this time 5-speed with taper bearings and an oil-pump, was used on the V8, and slightly different versions of it mated up to the SD1 2300 and 2600.

Rover's 6-cylinder engines were always smooth, going right back to the fifties'/sixties' i.o.e. (inlet over exhaust) engines for P4 and P5. P6 surprised many by the inclusion of a Four (which was undoubtedly a sales bonus for Triumph), but the power which it would develop was quite adequate (although blunted by an auto 'box), and fitted David Bache's design dimensions. As is well-known, the P6 engine bay had been designed to be roomy enough to accommodate a possible jet turbine engine, and while the 4-cyl engines left plenty of surrounding space there, the ex-Buick V8 dropped in beautifully. Experiments were done (long before VW) with a 5-cylinder version of the P6 four, with a bodge arrangement of an extra SU carb for just for the fifth cylinder. Balance problems were resolved, but the engine produced not much more torque than the standard 2000TC. The V8 saw it off. A 6-cyl P6 was played with, but it would have involved an ungainly stretching (and expensive) reworking of the front end, and so (in the UK) was never done. Again, the torquey, compact and lightweight V8 made this irrelevant.

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 27 Apr 2019, 22:24

SWVA at Poole had their Classic Auction today

Results posted here https://www.swva.co.uk/auction-category ... ount=23419
In the light of the recent discussion re the Triumph 2500 this particular incarnation sold for £2,600 plus buyers premium. Details here https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/triu ... 0-tc-1975/
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This one has a set of twin carbs.
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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by bobins » 28 Apr 2019, 09:49

NewcastleFalcon wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 22:24
SWVA at Poole had their Classic Auction today

In the light of the recent discussion re the Triumph 2500 this particular incarnation sold for £2,600 plus buyers premium. Details here https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/triu ... 0-tc-1975/
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From the catalogue "........the original chestnut coloured Bri-Nylon seat facing are all in reasonably good condition."

Mmmmmmm! Bri-Nylon. Why can't more cars have Bri-Nylon in them ? :lol: :wink:

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by Gibbo2286 » 28 Apr 2019, 10:15

bobins wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 09:49
NewcastleFalcon wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 22:24
SWVA at Poole had their Classic Auction today

In the light of the recent discussion re the Triumph 2500 this particular incarnation sold for £2,600 plus buyers premium. Details here https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/triu ... 0-tc-1975/
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Regards Neil



From the catalogue "........the original chestnut coloured Bri-Nylon seat facing are all in reasonably good condition."

Mmmmmmm! Bri-Nylon. Why can't more cars have Bri-Nylon in them ? :lol: :wink:


Wear some wool trousers and you got sparks off your ass when you got out. :-D

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Re: Classic for under £10K-what would be nice?

Post by bobins » 28 Apr 2019, 10:26

Gibbo2286 wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 10:15

Wear some wool trousers and you got sparks off your ass when you got out. :-D


There's websites for people who like that sort of thing. Apparently. 8-[ :lol:

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Post by van ordinaire » 01 May 2019, 05:14

I must've been very lucky because my 2.5PI never had any real problems although one hot summer it suffered from fuel vapourisation (there was a cooler kit for the "Trix" to overcome their more serious affliction) Having removed the access panel in the boot floor, revealing the pump & "agglomerater" it was just a matter of draping an old towel over the works & dousing it with a couple of pints of water.

The weakest part of the box as fitted to the 3500S, curiously, was the lever - I got a substantial discount off my second one because I convinced the salesman that the box was on its way out, whereas it only needed a new bush at the base of the lever.