My first Activa

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My first Activa

Post by Skull » 26 Sep 2018, 10:56

ACTIVA II

Arriving today on a transporter ......bought blind (photos) :shock: non-runner (not starting) already #-o

I think I'll need some help or at least some of your wisdom (irony)

What can go wrong :?
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Re: My first Activa

Post by GiveMeABreak » 26 Sep 2018, 11:08

Good luck - at least you've bought it with the right attitude - and as it's a non-runner already, there can only be improvement! :-D

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Stickyfinger » 26 Sep 2018, 17:36

:), well done.

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Skull » 27 Sep 2018, 21:51

Gutters full
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Skull's nearside gutter
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Skull's offside gutter

Hard to see how they got THAT full
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Re: My first Activa

Post by Skull » 27 Sep 2018, 22:55

Engine still not running (tried charged battery and a jump start) can smell fuel but it could be 6 years old so will probably drain it out and stick some fresh petrol in ...
I've found the leak the seller mentioned front nearside wheel arch (regulator to safety valve - top left in picture) done one of those before ....if that's the only one [-o<

Some scabby hydraulic front ram lines but might clean up ok
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Skull's nsf leak
Minor bits to sort as and when:
Skuttle area / air intake has a forest inside
vehicle battery
nsr door been dinged and filled.
radio no power
cigarette lighter no power (12v socket ok)
sticky central lock nsr door and door panel loose
sticky boot button
front tyres cracked
Headlining
Wipers
Needs a clean ......

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Skull » 07 Oct 2018, 09:11

Skull wrote:
27 Sep 2018, 22:55
done one of those before
Activa #-o probably twice as hard as previous job on a 2.1td took 6 hours to get old pipe off (into the dark) and I still need to get the old seal out today in daylight ....
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3 Regulator to safety valve 6 safety valve to 'K' junction
pipe 3 Regulator to safety valve (rusted/holed) (Citroen 5270 Z4 £41.88 NFP 4.5mm 2036mm) (Sourced from Automec £24.10 inc seals)
pipe 6 safety valve to 'K' junction (possibly damaged in removal of pipe 3) (Citroen 5270 S9 NFP 4.5mm 186mm) (ring Automec Monday)

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Skull » 09 Oct 2018, 13:54

Still slow going ....

new pipe arrived and old one removed with a struggle .... currently struggling with new pipe going into safety valve (either access and orientation or thread on safety valve needs cleaning) ....
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Old one off for comparison
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removal was a challenge
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access to safety valve
Attachments
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trying to refit .....head of new bolt is bigger 10mm

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Skull » 11 Oct 2018, 21:38

Well it's not going to plan #-o

The safety valve end of the pipe is a torturous route to get it in place I have had to position it 5 times now trying different methods of inserting the pipe. I can't seem to get the union to bite properly ....a few times it has kidded me only to jump out.

I've done one of these pipes before and don't recall having trouble with the threads - the biggest problem is access (more so on the Activa due to additional pipework in the area)

I turned my attention to the regulator end of the pipe to satisfy myself that the union thread wasn't the problem. This seems to have needed an enormous amount of pressure on the back of the union for it to thread properly and although it looks as though it's a good fit I would be happier with another couple of full-turns going by the amount of thread remaining. There is no way I could apply the same pressure to the safety valve end so after another failed attempt I removed that end of the pipe and trimmed about 2mm off the end and chamfered the end profile. It seemed as though it was winding on with the most back pressure possible given the access angle but it still popped off ](*,)

I have 2 thoughts on how to proceed:

Firstly remove the pipe from the safety valve end and trim another 2mm off in the hope that the further the flare is in safety valve the more chance of being able to wind more thread turns on to prevent the flare from popping the union back out, re-insert (sounds easier when I type it :twisted: ) and pray again that it engages properly.

Secondly and probably final option is to strip out from above (lhm reservoir / ABS controller / gearbox mount / anything else in the way) remove safety valve and hopefully get enough access to connect the pipe/s to the safety valve and then refit it all.

Third (I know there was only 2 options ^) option is to cut new pipe where access is good and reuse the better old union on the new pipe and then repair my brand new pipe with a dodgy connector (I've never had to resort to this bodge on any vehicle so unless someone knows of such a suitable joint system) ...

There is no rush and I would rather have been able to complete the job satisfactorily before I turn my attention to starting the engine .....

Any thoughts :?:

Also this diagram is similar to the one in my Haynes manual but I've yet to see the detailed taper at B on any pipes on the Xantia which would certainly allow the pipe to go on more and improve the stability of the whole connection :?:
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Citroen pipe flare diagram

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 11 Oct 2018, 21:40

I wonder if 'a' is a pipe seal?

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Re: My first Activa

Post by Skull » 11 Oct 2018, 22:33

Yes Hell Razor

a is the pipe seal :wink:

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Re: My first Activa

Post by CitroJim » 12 Oct 2018, 07:55

Just seen this! Well done on rescuing this one Skull... I'll be following with interest :)